Comments on: Cage Match 2010, Round 1: 2) Cthulhu versus 31) Lyra Silvertongue

By: dpomerico

dpomerico — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:33:32 +0000

And that’s the end of that chapter!
Thanks for all your votes and comments–you guys make this site rock.
Make sure to see if Cthulhu beats his next opponent, Jaime Lannister, here:
http://wp.suvudu.com/2010/03/cage-match-2010-round-2-2-cthulhu-versus-15-jaime-lannister.html

By: The Mad Arab

The Mad Arab — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:21:18 +0000

Edit: the “Former Situation” I was referring to above was Cthulhu being locked away by a higher being. Somehow that did not get typed out.

By: The Mad Arab

The Mad Arab — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:16:34 +0000

I don’t ever recall reading that Aslan could destroy an entire universe. Especially one that isn’t his. Ever. The world of Narnia? Maybe. But a universe? I doubt it. But I digress.
My argument for Cthulhu winning has never been “He Am Awsome.” My argument, against Aslan specifically, was that similar “all-powerful” and “omnipotent” supposedly could not kill him either. He is of a God, of that make no mistake, his parentage comprising two other gods that gave him birth. He, too, possesses the ability to travel between worlds as was mentioned mumerous times in Lovecraft’s works.
He is not a Giant Squid or Octopus as you folks are so quick to lobby about. In fact, the best description of him was that he “yielded simultaneous pictures of an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature; A pulpy, tentacled head surmounted a grotesque scaly body with rudimentary wings.”
It is impossible to compare the power levels of two fictional characters from two wholly different fictional worlds. Whether or not Aslan can wipe out Narnia is of no consequence, becuase there is no way to prove or disprove his power would have any affect on Cthulhu at all. His “omnipotence” over a world he created would be the same as mine over something I built with legos when I was 5. Cthulhu is similarly powerful in his way, as he can easily wipe out our world; a theme which runs through all the Cthulhu Mythos stories involving him. Did he create this world? No. But that does not make him less powerful for it. It’s mever stated the he can create worlds, but that means little. Just because I didn’t cook the steak I just ate doesn’t mean I can’t do it. Cthulhu’s powers are never fully defined. But this is because he is dormant in the stories he is portrayed in. Dormant, but still able to affect our world through dreams or his so-called “Star-Spawn.” Even asleep, he is contstantly displayed as a hideous danger to life on our world.
Aslan has never faced A God from a whole other Universe before that I know of. There is no possible way of telling how or even if his powers would work in such a confrontation. Same with Cthulhu. None. So saying that he is “more powerful” or that Cthulhu is “Second best” is conjecture on your part as Cthulhu is never fully defined. Gods require believers, and both have that. But neither would believe in the other so maybe neither would be able to use their powers. But in this case, as I have stated, Cthulhu does dwarf the kitty. By alot.
As I was attempting to point out at the end of my last reply, this is not personal for me. I’m simply voting for the character I like best. Which is the point here. I’m not trying to antagonize you believe it or not. But I will never say flat out that Aslan or Cthulhu is more powerful than the other. I have never claimed Cthulhu was undefeatble, (He cannot die, but that’s not to say there aren’t ways to drive him off) nor will I ever believe that Aslan is. For the record, in Lovecraft’s works it is never stated why Cthulhu is dormant to my knowledge. It is given as a possible, but so is hibernation. The former situation might never have happened. So his supposedly “being vunerable to such a power” might be inaccurate.
My long, rambling point? Just because Aslan created a world doesn’t make him more powerful, as you can’t compare the two to begin with. Do I think Cthulhu is more powerful? I couldn’t give a damn. I still think he’s going to pick almost every other competitor in this thing from his tentacles. I don’t care what anyone here thinks of him and I never did. I didn’t write the guy, I just enjoy the stories.
We’re all fans here. Let’s keep it civil.

By: Samuel

Samuel — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:20:03 +0000

Followup: In fact, as I recall, the guys in charge themselves wrote Aslan as winning despite getting killed in their little prediction of the Eragon/Aslan match. This really seems to be just “who can get rid of the other guy so he don’t get up again”.

By: Samuel

Samuel — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:13:58 +0000

*Groan* Dude, please, do me the courtesy of reading my stuff with even half the care you devote to a giant squid-monster. I said Aslan was omnipotent in his OWN REALITY. That doesn’t correlate to invincibility or ultimate power IN THIS TOURNAMENT, just to a likelihood of greater relative power than calamari-boy. I’ve acknowledged that, numerous times. I’ve stated it about every way I can think of. And yet, every time I glance back here, there you are again, all “Cthulhu will win b/c he’s awesome. And no one can be unable to lose in a tournament”, ignoring every argument I make and just going on and on, setting up these straw man arguments.
It’s getting kind of annoying. The character in the Narnia books clearly has mystical powers sufficient to create and destroy worlds, move between them, yadda yadda. I have made the point that his power level is greater than Cthulhu’s. If you have a counterargument, let’s hear it. In all your exhaustive reading of Lovecraft’s texts, perhaps you found a reference to Cthulhu’s ability to survive a universe collapsing on him. Perhaps you noticed a remark documenting the fact that he should have beaten the “head honcho god” in his own reality, had not his powers been diffused elsewhere. Whatever. I don’t care. I’d accept any of these as legit arguments, admit I’m mistaken, and there we go. I’m not particularly fond of the Great Hello Kitty. I’d be willing to admit he’s going down if there was any reason to think so. But I need an actual argument first, not this waffling. The only one you’ve made is that this is a fight to the death. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t remember that being mentioned. A defeat should be perfectly sufficient.

By: The Mad Arab

The Mad Arab — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:31:20 +0000

Actually, you have said multiple times that Aslan is omnipotent. My point here is that such power does not equal win. And whether or not he is more powerful than Cthulhu at all is debatable. I certainly don’t think so.
My point for Cthulhu’s victory, ultimately, boils down to the fact that though some of these characters might indeed possess the power to at least lock him away. Not knowing he is at best “Immune” to death, they would go for the kill first and foremost. And get trounced when their attack fails. Madness, or tentacles, or huge-mendous foot stomping down. Any of the above.
What we can say for certain is that none of these characters has ever faced anything like Cthulhu before. He easily physically dwarfs any opponent here, and most of the swordsmen wouldn’t even be noticed. I simply think that a being such as Cthulhu would not view any of these creatures as a threat. Once wakened, he would simply do what he does best.
By the by, none of this is at all personal or me trying to be a perfectionist. I have simply read ALOT of Cthulhu Mythos is my day. Once I saw him on this bracket I just knew where my vote was going!

By: Samuel

Samuel — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:29:25 +0000

I’m not really sure how (or if) any of that responds to my point…so let me just say..
You seem fixated on the whole “omnipotent” thing. No one’s said Aslan is omnipotent in this tournament. It’s just a comparitor for relative power levels between two characters. One has n level of power in his world, one has x level. If n is greater than x, he with n is more likely to win. It’s the same as if we’re comparing an expert swordsman, best in his universe, and a pretty good swordsman, maybe competitive for number three in his. We are generally going to assume that the former is going to take the win. We can’t KNOW, of course, but that’s the only real point of posting in these comments sections, to bring things like this up.
I agree that this contest shall be mostly decided on fan votes: good observation. It does not, however, explain why, if that’s your conviction, you spent half a dozen posts trying to argue for Cthulhu’s ultimate victory in a rational, comparative manner.
I’m a bit confused, tbh.

By: The Mad Arab

The Mad Arab — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:23:24 +0000

I was seriously NOT going to comment. But a few things here keep recurring and it bothers me:
1- It doesn’t matter who a character was based on. Be it Jesus, Chuck Norris, Willaim “Captain James T. Kirk” Shatner, or even Bruce Lee. It’s the character himself that’s involved. Leave Jesus out of this, that’s not an instant win.
2- The terms “All Powerful” and “Omnipotent” have no business being mentioned. This entire tournament is based on votes. A character’s personal power might be why you vote for them, but it’s the votes that win here. Not “My God is better than your God.” Any character here could have been taken out by Edward Cullen if enough pre-teen girls knew about this contest. In example I give you Harry Dresden. A wizard. Potent, powerful, capable of things mortals can only imagine. Yet and still he was shown his own internal organs up close by Conan who has not a stitch of “power.” Because Conan had the power that mattered – the ONLY power that matters in this contest – votes.
3- Resurrection requires being killed first, yes? Then I suppose everyone can stop mentioning it as a power herein, as these are fights TO THE DEATH. If you’ve come back to life, you were dead. If you were dead, you lost. End of story.
Not arguing which character is better than any other. Just pointing out some things people keep harping on. Carry on.

By: SITB

SITB — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:20:47 +0000

Cthulhu is merely a Great Old one- a priest of the outer gods. Yes, he is godlike to our own human eyes but he isn’t anywhere near the big boys in the mythos while Aslan is Jesus. A more matched fight would be Aslan versus Nylarlahotep.

By: Samuel

Samuel — Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:43:27 +0000

Actually, I think you misunderstand me. xD, as per your rather unsubtle hints, you seem to grow weary of our little debate. Never fear, I shall be brief, merely alleviating any misconceptions. You are under no obligation to respond to me.
What I am trying to put across by repeating Aslan’s omnipotence is not that he is invincible in the competition but rather this: Cthulhu is not omnipotent. Not in his own universe. Aslan is omnipotent. One is a god who in his own world enough power to control everything. One is a god who does not have sufficient power to do that.
Therefore, as far as my humble line of reasoning goes, Aslan > Cthluhu. More powerful, more likely to win. That’s all.