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	<title>Comments on: Cage Match&#8211;Villains!: 10) Darth Vader versus 23) Murtagh Morzansson</title>
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		<title>By: The-Creepy-Creeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>The-Creepy-Creeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see, several dragons assisting an insanely hot guy V.S. Robo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, several dragons assisting an insanely hot guy V.S. Robo.</p>
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		<title>By: Prothero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prothero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 05:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in Vader winning this but it can be completely different.  Murtagh has the power to cut off vader&#039;s use of the force completely by rendering him paralyzed.  The ancient language can do almost anything and even kill vader with a few words or shut down the machines keeping him alive.   He also could gain complete control of vader if he would have the knowledge of vader&#039;s real name.  Thorn would be an also very overwhelming presence and extra side partner that would make it harder for vader to defend against two very strong opponents.  Now if this were to be a staight fight with no cheapness of the magic and dragon and the force i might give it to Vader but murtagh is young and very skilled also but could be overwhelmed yet I still say it would go to murtagh for his youthfullness but I would still make it a true fifty fifty match resulting in the death of both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in Vader winning this but it can be completely different.  Murtagh has the power to cut off vader&#8217;s use of the force completely by rendering him paralyzed.  The ancient language can do almost anything and even kill vader with a few words or shut down the machines keeping him alive.   He also could gain complete control of vader if he would have the knowledge of vader&#8217;s real name.  Thorn would be an also very overwhelming presence and extra side partner that would make it harder for vader to defend against two very strong opponents.  Now if this were to be a staight fight with no cheapness of the magic and dragon and the force i might give it to Vader but murtagh is young and very skilled also but could be overwhelmed yet I still say it would go to murtagh for his youthfullness but I would still make it a true fifty fifty match resulting in the death of both.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 07:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a fan of both series, this particular battle would be 55/45 with the slight advantage to Vader. For a few very simple reasons really.

In book one of the Inheritance cycle it is implicitly stated that no magic user would ever use a spell without first breaking into his opponents mind, unless he didn&#039;t care if he also perished. With that in mind, Sith and Jedi both use mental tricks, which means they MUST keep extreme mental discipline in order to be less vulnerable to mind probes, therefor Murtagh would default to using his sword until he could gain access to Vader&#039;s mind, if indeed he could, as Vader is so mentally twisted that his mind very well maybe equivocal to a Shades. So that rules blatant magic use out. Even the twelve words of death wouldn&#039;t really do much against Vader as his suit is stuffed full of the most advanced life support systems you can get, (I mean seriously, look at Greivous from Attack of the Clones).

Sword to Sword: Vader wins this hands down. Lightsaber&#039;s are beams of pure light, inside the containment field generated to give them the &quot;Blade&quot; shape, the temperature would have to be around 10,000 degree&#039;s or so, since lightsaber blades can melt through star ship hulls, and the most advanced metals ever mined, smelted or otherwise created. Vader&#039;s saber would simply sear though Zarroc, thus rendering it useless as a weapon. 

Thorn: Thorns fire would hurt Vader, but the he would need to be engulfed in flames for a few seconds, Thorn is still a young dragon technically, even with the advance in his age, thus his fire is not as hot as an Elder dragons would be. With that in mind, Vaders suite would have to be at least somewhat heat-resistant; as it could function as an emergency evac suit. As for the force lifting Thorn; its rediculous to suggest it can&#039;t. &quot;Size matters not&quot; is a point yoda makes with a star ship, a standard T-65 X-Wing starfighter, measuring 16 meters in length packed with missiles, fuel, and more engine than you can shake a stick at, and Yoda lifts it in the air like its a joke. C&#039;mon guys, that thing will easily way several thousand pounds, probably around 5 thousand or so. Further example, Kyp Durron in the extended universe pulls a friggin Frigate sized ship out of a suns gravity well. Thats at least 150-200 thousand pounds of steel.

Thus Vader, assuming he just didn&#039;t blow the damned planet up with a death star, or have it razed to the ground via orbital Star Destroyer bombardment, would have some pretty heavy advantages over Murtagh, but due largely to Murtagh&#039;s hearts, youth, stubbornness and ability to improvise with magic (i.e. use it in ways that do not directly influence Vader) I give Vader only a slight advantage.

Murtagh would have no choice but to assume Vader was a magic user, largely due to the way a lightsaber functions, and would most assuredly assume that once Vader blocked Thorns flame with the force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fan of both series, this particular battle would be 55/45 with the slight advantage to Vader. For a few very simple reasons really.</p>
<p>In book one of the Inheritance cycle it is implicitly stated that no magic user would ever use a spell without first breaking into his opponents mind, unless he didn&#8217;t care if he also perished. With that in mind, Sith and Jedi both use mental tricks, which means they MUST keep extreme mental discipline in order to be less vulnerable to mind probes, therefor Murtagh would default to using his sword until he could gain access to Vader&#8217;s mind, if indeed he could, as Vader is so mentally twisted that his mind very well maybe equivocal to a Shades. So that rules blatant magic use out. Even the twelve words of death wouldn&#8217;t really do much against Vader as his suit is stuffed full of the most advanced life support systems you can get, (I mean seriously, look at Greivous from Attack of the Clones).</p>
<p>Sword to Sword: Vader wins this hands down. Lightsaber&#8217;s are beams of pure light, inside the containment field generated to give them the &#8220;Blade&#8221; shape, the temperature would have to be around 10,000 degree&#8217;s or so, since lightsaber blades can melt through star ship hulls, and the most advanced metals ever mined, smelted or otherwise created. Vader&#8217;s saber would simply sear though Zarroc, thus rendering it useless as a weapon. </p>
<p>Thorn: Thorns fire would hurt Vader, but the he would need to be engulfed in flames for a few seconds, Thorn is still a young dragon technically, even with the advance in his age, thus his fire is not as hot as an Elder dragons would be. With that in mind, Vaders suite would have to be at least somewhat heat-resistant; as it could function as an emergency evac suit. As for the force lifting Thorn; its rediculous to suggest it can&#8217;t. &#8220;Size matters not&#8221; is a point yoda makes with a star ship, a standard T-65 X-Wing starfighter, measuring 16 meters in length packed with missiles, fuel, and more engine than you can shake a stick at, and Yoda lifts it in the air like its a joke. C&#8217;mon guys, that thing will easily way several thousand pounds, probably around 5 thousand or so. Further example, Kyp Durron in the extended universe pulls a friggin Frigate sized ship out of a suns gravity well. Thats at least 150-200 thousand pounds of steel.</p>
<p>Thus Vader, assuming he just didn&#8217;t blow the damned planet up with a death star, or have it razed to the ground via orbital Star Destroyer bombardment, would have some pretty heavy advantages over Murtagh, but due largely to Murtagh&#8217;s hearts, youth, stubbornness and ability to improvise with magic (i.e. use it in ways that do not directly influence Vader) I give Vader only a slight advantage.</p>
<p>Murtagh would have no choice but to assume Vader was a magic user, largely due to the way a lightsaber functions, and would most assuredly assume that once Vader blocked Thorns flame with the force.</p>
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		<title>By: LOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darth Vader would kill Murtagh instantly.</description>
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		<title>By: Gage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well think about it. Murtagh would not even have to say any spell at all. I think that we have all forgotten the first thing an experienced and powerful magician would do,which Murtagh is both of. The first thing he would do is go for the mind. This would be even faster than the Vader neck brake. He would simply take control of Vader. Vader would have no way to block him since he has never have experience in this field. He wouldn&#039;t even have to use magic he could just walk up to him and behead him ,or maybe even let Thorn take it. I think it is fair to say that Murtagh should have all of the items and skills he possessed in the last book that is currently out. Especially considering that Vader wasn&#039;t always as he was in this battle. Well there is my opinion of the matter. No magic needed. Murtagh wins hands down. Not to say that Vader isn&#039;t a formidable opponent, he just wasn&#039;t well enough equipped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well think about it. Murtagh would not even have to say any spell at all. I think that we have all forgotten the first thing an experienced and powerful magician would do,which Murtagh is both of. The first thing he would do is go for the mind. This would be even faster than the Vader neck brake. He would simply take control of Vader. Vader would have no way to block him since he has never have experience in this field. He wouldn&#8217;t even have to use magic he could just walk up to him and behead him ,or maybe even let Thorn take it. I think it is fair to say that Murtagh should have all of the items and skills he possessed in the last book that is currently out. Especially considering that Vader wasn&#8217;t always as he was in this battle. Well there is my opinion of the matter. No magic needed. Murtagh wins hands down. Not to say that Vader isn&#8217;t a formidable opponent, he just wasn&#8217;t well enough equipped.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 18:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murtagh should have used thystra or one of the twelve words of death to kill Vader in about three seconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murtagh should have used thystra or one of the twelve words of death to kill Vader in about three seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: TrueKnowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrueKnowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 19:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now then, as a true fan of both series I can say I know both sides quite well. While it is true that Murtagh can use his wards to protect himself from magic, the Force is different. As to the nature of wards, him having these wards would imply his knowledge of the Force in the first place. Especially since he does not know the nature of the Force and how Vader wishes to use it. A lightsaber can cut through a dragon&#039;s hide, as it can cut through some incredibly tough metals. Also, in the matter of mind-magic, for all Murtagh knows, Vader is a magic user. Thus he would default to a dual, as he has no knowledge of what/who Vader is.
*******Stupid Argument Which Is Illogical and Who cares really?***********
 Now this is all without knowing how Vader ended up in Alagaesia. If it was the Death Star, if Vader were cut down, there would not be Alagaesia.
********Logic***********
Now Murtagh has a chance in only that if Vader were taken surprise by Thorn. 


Personally, I am a great lover of both series and in the end.... How did Vader and Murtagh meet in a clearing? Did Vader skidoo into the book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now then, as a true fan of both series I can say I know both sides quite well. While it is true that Murtagh can use his wards to protect himself from magic, the Force is different. As to the nature of wards, him having these wards would imply his knowledge of the Force in the first place. Especially since he does not know the nature of the Force and how Vader wishes to use it. A lightsaber can cut through a dragon&#8217;s hide, as it can cut through some incredibly tough metals. Also, in the matter of mind-magic, for all Murtagh knows, Vader is a magic user. Thus he would default to a dual, as he has no knowledge of what/who Vader is.<br />
*******Stupid Argument Which Is Illogical and Who cares really?***********<br />
 Now this is all without knowing how Vader ended up in Alagaesia. If it was the Death Star, if Vader were cut down, there would not be Alagaesia.<br />
********Logic***********<br />
Now Murtagh has a chance in only that if Vader were taken surprise by Thorn. </p>
<p>Personally, I am a great lover of both series and in the end&#8230;. How did Vader and Murtagh meet in a clearing? Did Vader skidoo into the book?</p>
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		<title>By: murtagh</title>
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		<dc:creator>murtagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing is the dude who rote this onley saw the movie eragon he thinks murtaghs got his original sword so hes a bitch for not doing reaserch</description>
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		<title>By: Shadow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 00:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that thorn would just land on vader and rip his heart out goddamnit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that thorn would just land on vader and rip his heart out goddamnit</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 17:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly... wards, death word, dragon, weis heil, etc murtagh just has to say one word and darth goes to a dirt nap... written very well but lacking true knowledge of inheritance cycle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly&#8230; wards, death word, dragon, weis heil, etc murtagh just has to say one word and darth goes to a dirt nap&#8230; written very well but lacking true knowledge of inheritance cycle&#8230;</p>
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