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	<title>Comments on: Cage Match 2011: Tasslehoff Burrfoot versus Perrin Aybara</title>
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		<title>By: Jlingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jlingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit that I found this write-up to be the best in all of the Cage Fights so far.  It had just the right humor and you got the personalities down pact.  Good job!</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In what world does Giant wolf-man with an axe vs obnoxious midget with a mouth like a runny nose= fair fight?</description>
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		<title>By: Radmer van der Mei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radmer van der Mei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my eyes it&#039;s also some kind of taste, what do you expect from a story, what do you like and what do you dispise. I mean I think WOT or ASOIAF are pretty easy to like fantasy books with a great story, great characters and more then enough suspense but on the other hand are they quite simple, not that many layers and not really complex. If you compare them with the Dune series or Steven Erikson&#039;s malazan empire. they are way more complex and in my eyes intresting( but that&#039;s my taste, I like my stories complex and also the fact that every body can die and then live on apeals to me) I hope that we will have a suprising winner and not a character of WOT or ASOIAF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my eyes it&#8217;s also some kind of taste, what do you expect from a story, what do you like and what do you dispise. I mean I think WOT or ASOIAF are pretty easy to like fantasy books with a great story, great characters and more then enough suspense but on the other hand are they quite simple, not that many layers and not really complex. If you compare them with the Dune series or Steven Erikson&#8217;s malazan empire. they are way more complex and in my eyes intresting( but that&#8217;s my taste, I like my stories complex and also the fact that every body can die and then live on apeals to me) I hope that we will have a suprising winner and not a character of WOT or ASOIAF.</p>
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		<title>By: Niki the Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niki the Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay Archon, I think you&#039;ve summed it up well enough with the different strokes idea. :)

  I don&#039;t know how much of the series you read before getting turned off, but there are ample plot lines leaving suspense- many of which are subtle and take a while to evolve.  Although my enjoyment is a reality, the suspense certainly is too.  If not the actual outcomes (which some are despite your beliefs), the sheer amount of characters and nations (their intentions and deceptions) keep things lively and interesting. Like I said before, I can see your point.  I am just requesting that you see mine.  Suspense doesn&#039;t come exclusively from one aspect of a story line.  Some of us enjoy the subtle mysteries that are ample throughout this series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay Archon, I think you&#8217;ve summed it up well enough with the different strokes idea. <img src='http://suvudu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>  I don&#8217;t know how much of the series you read before getting turned off, but there are ample plot lines leaving suspense- many of which are subtle and take a while to evolve.  Although my enjoyment is a reality, the suspense certainly is too.  If not the actual outcomes (which some are despite your beliefs), the sheer amount of characters and nations (their intentions and deceptions) keep things lively and interesting. Like I said before, I can see your point.  I am just requesting that you see mine.  Suspense doesn&#8217;t come exclusively from one aspect of a story line.  Some of us enjoy the subtle mysteries that are ample throughout this series.</p>
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		<title>By: Archon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shadow&#039;s Bane,

That&#039;s all well and good... and if I had said that killing a main character was necessary to make a series interesting or good, then your post to me would have some point to it... however, since (stop me if this quote sound familiar, like, I may have used it in my previous post) I can appreciate that you like the book the way it is... different strokes and all of that... Your post to me is devoid of point.

It doesn&#039;t make the book bad and / or uninteresting if the outcome is already determined, it simply takes away the suspense that is built from the aprehension of the possibility of defeat/death of the hero(s). Although this is not my particular cup of tea, I am quite aware that a great many people are perfectly fine witout such apprehension... Steven Segal wouldn&#039;t have been able to make so many of his movies if there weren&#039;t plenty of people who didn&#039;t care that the outcome was preordained.

@Niki,

See above paragraph... and previous post of mine... While a story can certainly be interesting and entertaining with a preordained outcome, there simply is no suspense when you already know what&#039;s going to happen... you&#039;re confusing suspense with enjoyment I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shadow&#8217;s Bane,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all well and good&#8230; and if I had said that killing a main character was necessary to make a series interesting or good, then your post to me would have some point to it&#8230; however, since (stop me if this quote sound familiar, like, I may have used it in my previous post) I can appreciate that you like the book the way it is&#8230; different strokes and all of that&#8230; Your post to me is devoid of point.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make the book bad and / or uninteresting if the outcome is already determined, it simply takes away the suspense that is built from the aprehension of the possibility of defeat/death of the hero(s). Although this is not my particular cup of tea, I am quite aware that a great many people are perfectly fine witout such apprehension&#8230; Steven Segal wouldn&#8217;t have been able to make so many of his movies if there weren&#8217;t plenty of people who didn&#8217;t care that the outcome was preordained.</p>
<p>@Niki,</p>
<p>See above paragraph&#8230; and previous post of mine&#8230; While a story can certainly be interesting and entertaining with a preordained outcome, there simply is no suspense when you already know what&#8217;s going to happen&#8230; you&#8217;re confusing suspense with enjoyment I believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Yresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 04:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shadow&#039;sBane
Well said!</description>
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Well said!</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow'sBane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadow'sBane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 01:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@archon
Death of main characters is not required to make series good or interesting...as far as I remember ..Main characters hardly die in any series ...
except aSoIaF which doesn&#039;t have a concept of a Main Character....
in LotR the entire fellowship(except Boromir) survives the battle...
In Narnia main Characters don&#039;t die...
In Harry Potter only supporting characters die...
In Sword of Truth main Characters lives throughout the series...
In Inheritance Cycle No main Character dies...and Brom was an supporting character...
u can take many examples... Dresden Files, His Dark materials , Kingkiller chronicles, Temeraire, King Solomon Mines , the Alchmest, Ink Saga...so on.

The point I m trying to make is that these are fantasy novels (stories) u r reading not  Some Bloody Live Journal or history record.....
And story becomes a story only if the character its about completes his quest and not dies in between....

Suppose that there is a story about character A who is supposed to rescues a Princess by fighting a dragon,,,,,it becomes only when he competes his quest..... And Not when he dies fighting the Dragon.

In WoT every Characters has his own quest,........and Pattern wouldn&#039;t let them die unless they complete it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@archon<br />
Death of main characters is not required to make series good or interesting&#8230;as far as I remember ..Main characters hardly die in any series &#8230;<br />
except aSoIaF which doesn&#8217;t have a concept of a Main Character&#8230;.<br />
in LotR the entire fellowship(except Boromir) survives the battle&#8230;<br />
In Narnia main Characters don&#8217;t die&#8230;<br />
In Harry Potter only supporting characters die&#8230;<br />
In Sword of Truth main Characters lives throughout the series&#8230;<br />
In Inheritance Cycle No main Character dies&#8230;and Brom was an supporting character&#8230;<br />
u can take many examples&#8230; Dresden Files, His Dark materials , Kingkiller chronicles, Temeraire, King Solomon Mines , the Alchmest, Ink Saga&#8230;so on.</p>
<p>The point I m trying to make is that these are fantasy novels (stories) u r reading not  Some Bloody Live Journal or history record&#8230;..<br />
And story becomes a story only if the character its about completes his quest and not dies in between&#8230;.</p>
<p>Suppose that there is a story about character A who is supposed to rescues a Princess by fighting a dragon,,,,,it becomes only when he competes his quest&#8230;.. And Not when he dies fighting the Dragon.</p>
<p>In WoT every Characters has his own quest,&#8230;&#8230;..and Pattern wouldn&#8217;t let them die unless they complete it.</p>
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		<title>By: Niki the Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niki the Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Archon.  I see what you&#039;re saying.  I&#039;d like to point out, however, that it isn&#039;t the end result of any particular battle that keeps us on edge, ready for the next WoT book.  It is HOW things happen, which villains are involved with which plot, how the Light side is going to prepare for a battle which they no nothing of how is actually going to be fought, and so much more; not even counting the ever mysterious final scene that began it all in RJ&#039;s mind.  Even though we know that none of the main characters are going to die before the Last Battle, there are plenty of things that keep this world intriguing and full of drama and suspense. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Archon.  I see what you&#8217;re saying.  I&#8217;d like to point out, however, that it isn&#8217;t the end result of any particular battle that keeps us on edge, ready for the next WoT book.  It is HOW things happen, which villains are involved with which plot, how the Light side is going to prepare for a battle which they no nothing of how is actually going to be fought, and so much more; not even counting the ever mysterious final scene that began it all in RJ&#8217;s mind.  Even though we know that none of the main characters are going to die before the Last Battle, there are plenty of things that keep this world intriguing and full of drama and suspense. <img src='http://suvudu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Archon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Archon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Yresh

I can appreciate that you like the book the way it is... different strokes and all that... And I&#039;m fine with it if you think Nynaeve is great... I&#039;m sure plenty of submissives out there love her ;p... But drama and suspense are not &quot;agree / disagree&quot; concepts when discussing a known outcome... You may love your christmas/birthday gift to death, but if you knew what it was before you opened it, then there is no drama/suspense to the occasion... you may have thought the lightsaber duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin in episode 3 was awesome, but because you KNOW that Obi-Wan wins (and that they both survive) it removes the sense of danger and suspense from the scenario that they were trying to build with all the crumbling structures and lava explosions. In Jordan&#039;s WoT books, you KNOW that Jordan&#039;s main characters are going to survive, and that removes the suspense from the threat that they may be facing at any given time... that&#039;s not an &#039;agreeable&#039; point, it&#039;s simply a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yresh</p>
<p>I can appreciate that you like the book the way it is&#8230; different strokes and all that&#8230; And I&#8217;m fine with it if you think Nynaeve is great&#8230; I&#8217;m sure plenty of submissives out there love her ;p&#8230; But drama and suspense are not &#8220;agree / disagree&#8221; concepts when discussing a known outcome&#8230; You may love your christmas/birthday gift to death, but if you knew what it was before you opened it, then there is no drama/suspense to the occasion&#8230; you may have thought the lightsaber duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin in episode 3 was awesome, but because you KNOW that Obi-Wan wins (and that they both survive) it removes the sense of danger and suspense from the scenario that they were trying to build with all the crumbling structures and lava explosions. In Jordan&#8217;s WoT books, you KNOW that Jordan&#8217;s main characters are going to survive, and that removes the suspense from the threat that they may be facing at any given time&#8230; that&#8217;s not an &#8216;agreeable&#8217; point, it&#8217;s simply a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyBOB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyBOB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i kind of agree that it was dumb that he needed a pack of wolves to defeat the little bugger... he could have easily done it without the help of the wolves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i kind of agree that it was dumb that he needed a pack of wolves to defeat the little bugger&#8230; he could have easily done it without the help of the wolves.</p>
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