SF & Fantasy

Cage Match 2012: Round 1: Anasûrimbor Kellhus versus Ray Lilly


The Contestants


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Anasûrimbor Kellhus
Dûnyain monk
Age: 33
Race: Dûnyain (selectively bred human)
Weapons / Artifacts: Enshoiya (sword)
Special
Attack:
Tears you down mentally by exposing your secrets

Ray Lilly
Twenty Palaces thug
Age: Early 30s
Race: Human
Weapons / Artifacts: Paper knife
Special
Attack:
Limited magic

The Breakdown

Advantages

  • Master swordsman
  • Can read your body language like an open book
  • Sorcery (Gnosis)
Advantages

  • Street smart
  • His magic can be very effective in a tight situation
  • Magical tattoos protect him from most physical attacks (as does the golem flesh spell)
Disadvantages

  • Perfection can be so boring. And insane.
Disadvantages

  • Has to eat burgers all the time…and not in a cute, Wimpy way, but in a gross, Morgan Spurlock way.
Kills

  • N/A
Kills

  • N/A

How we think the fight will go


How Harry Connolly, creator of Ray Lilly, thinks the fight will go

The arena appeared to be some sort of gladiatorial ring. The stone benches all around were empty of people, and the sand under his feet was unbloodied. Perhaps his battle was to be first?

Anasûrimbor Kellhus looked across at the man he was supposed to battle. His clothes were modest but of very fine cloth, as though he was a manual laborer in an impossibly wealthy society. There was magic about him, too, but it was difficult to determine its exact nature. But his posture betrayed a remarkable lack of discipline as well as a certain… reluctance?

“My name is Anasûrimbor Kellhus.” If the fellow really was reluctant to take on the task before him, knowing the name of his enemy would only increase that reluctance. As might a touch of kindness. “Welcome.”

The man nodded. “Callous, huh? Okay. Nice outfit. I’m Ray.” He looked around. “So, do you know what we’re doing here? Because this shit does not look good.”

That was interesting. “Has no one told you why we are here?”

His expression soured. “Nobody tells me a damn thing.”

“I am Aspect-Emperor of the Three Seas, vanquisher of the No-God, master of the Gnosis, summoner of–” The man’s head snapped around. The word summoner had changed his body language entirely. “–demons from Outside. And I am your foe.”

The man no longer looked like a laborer. He leaned forward now, his gaze focussed and intent. His body language made it clear: “Ray” had revealed himself to be a back alley thug. “Summoning, huh? Guess what, Callous? I just figured out why they put you in here with me.”

Ray turned his hand over to reveal a piece of paper covered in some sort of transparent lacquer. Kellhus could sense the magic in it, although again it seemed different from any he’d previously encountered. As the thug started his forward charge, he flicked his wrist, flinging the paper away to the side.

The poor fool. Kellhus spoke a Cant, summoning the power of the Gnosis through his utteral and inutteral, and a wave of flame flowed away from him. It rose high, melting the sand between them and crested over his opponent.

But it didn’t touch him. Somehow the magic surrounding him had protected him in a way Kellhus had never seen. It was almost as though the universe itself bent away from him so the killing fire could not touch him.

Kellhus spoke again, then again, sending wave after wave of fire at him, and each time he could feel the man’s impenetrable defense crumble, only to be replaced by another. It was like kicking down doors in a long hallway–he knew he would reach the end at some point, but could he do it soon enough?

The lacquered paper suddenly appeared beside him, flying toward his left flank with the speed of a diving sparrow. His Dûnyain training prevented any delay in his response; he spoke another Cant to summon a shearing force that struck the flying paper on the side, deflecting it away.

He turned back, sending another wave of fire outward, but it was too late. Ray had closed the distance between them, and the flames curling over his body, futile in its attempt to touch him, was burning hot on Kellhus’s own flesh.

Kellhus side-stepped the man’s charge, but Ray swung outward, striking Kellhus hard just below his right eye. Kellhus’s own hand fell to the hilt of Enshoya.

As stars flickered in Kellhus’s vision, he could not suppress his surprised reaction, not this time. The moment this back alley thug had touched him, Kellhus knew he was not really a man at all. Not only did the universe itself bend around him, but his flesh wasn’t actually flesh at all. What, exactly, was he facing? In all his years of training and careful observation, he had never misread anyone as badly as this man.

Kellhus’s sword was already in his hand, already swinging downward in a killing stroke that would sever a normal man’s head and arm. Ray raised his left arm and met the blade with back of his wrist.

And blocked it. The sword could no more slice through this man’s not-flesh than a stalk of wheat could split a blacksmith’s anvil.

Ray held up his hand and, to Kellhus’s shock, the lacquered piece of paper flew through Kellhus’s own chest to him. The thug caught it like a master taking hold of an obedient pet.

Kellhus began to fall backward, suddenly struck weak. Ray slashed his sheet of paper at Enshoya and, with the paper’s edge, cut the blade in two.

The end of his sword fell to the sand just as Kellhus dropped to one knee. The sheet of paper had been sharp enough to cut metal, and it had passed through his chest. Through his heart!

“I’m sorry,” Kellhus blurted out. It took him a moment to understand, but the paper had not killed him. It had diminished him somehow. His resolve, determination, his very will to survive had been deflated, leaving him full of nothing but remorse toward this man he hated. The compulsion to offer reparation was unbearable.

No. No, he could not allow it. He was Anasûrimbor Kellhus, Aspect-Emperor. He had mastered the Gnosis. He was the epitome of self-control. He could not allow his end to come this way.

“Yeah yeah,” the thug said. “Every asshole is sorry once payback comes around.” From the pocket of his jacket, he removed a stack of papers bound together by a spiral of cheap steel wire. “Damn, Callous. Look how many you wasted. Do you realize what a pain it is to–”

Calling on his training and intellect to guide his actions, not his traitorous emotions, Kellhus swung the broken hilt of his sword at the spiral-bound paper. The hands-width of Enshoya’s blade still remaining struck the pages on the flat and knocked them to the sand.

Kellhus spoke the Cant for fire once again. The flames were so hot he felt his own skin blister immediately, but the thug was no longer protected by his bend in the universe. The flames bit deep into his not-flesh, burning down into him.

He dropped–collapsed?–onto the ground. His hand landed on the spiral pages and suddenly the flames were snuffed out in an instant.

But the man himself was destroyed. He had been burned almost down to the bone, His eyes were charred sockets, his bared teeth were blackened, and many had exploded like kernels of corn. His scorched back was split in several places as his blood blasted through him as steam. Kellhus had destroyed him.

Then Ray turned around and punched Kellhus in the throat.

His windpipe crushed, Kellhus fell back onto the ground. Part of his mind knew that he’d received a killing blow, but could he last longer than his opponent? If Ray succumbed to his injuries first, Kellhus would be permitted to survive one more day, wouldn’t he?

The nightmarish thing the street thug had become scrambled onto him, snatching the remains of Enshoya from his hand. Kellhus battered frantically at him, but his lack of air and the influence of the enchanted paper stole his vitality. Still, he pushed against the greasy, gritty living corpse even as it slashed open his abdomen and lowered its mouth to feed.

It was devouring him. As his blood flowed into its mouth, he could see its not-flesh rebuilding. He could feel it growing heavier as it lay across him. This was no man. He had no idea what this thing was, but it was killing him and he could not do anything about it.

It raised its head suddenly and looked into Kellhus’s face. Its eyes had regenerated, and its lipless mouth was full of healthy teeth and a tongue. “Nobody every made me do this before,” it said, its harsh voice sounding like a death rattle. It lifted the broken hilt of Enshoya and, with its enchanted paper, cut the blade along the guard almost all the way through, then shaved it just behind the edge, creating a stiletto-like blade.

Ray punched Kellhus hard on the chin and, in that dazed moment, slid the long slender blade up under Kellhus’s chin on the left side.

“There,” the thing said as it lifted something raw and red to its mouth. “That should have been the speech centers of your brain. According to the dude on TV, anyway. Too bad you had to be around for this, Callous, but the fresher the meat, the better. And you hurt me worse than anyone ever has, and that’s saying something.”

The edges of Kellhus’s vision went cloudy. He could feel himself draining away, dying. His thoughts–so disciplined, so clear–refused to resolve into cogent analysis. He’d already lost his ability to express himself. A wave of sorrow ran through him. There was so much he still had left to do, and now all of that potential had been lost. It was such a senseless waste.

“I know,” the thing’s voice came to him again. He could no longer see, but he could hear, and its voice sounded almost human, and so close to his ear. “I’ll bet you were capable of wonders.”


Predicted Winner: Ray Lilly





NOTE: THIS MATCH ENDS ON THURSDAY, MARCH 8th, 2012, AT 5 PM, EST

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Anasûrimbor Kellhus is a character from the Prince of Nothing series by R. Scott Bakker; Ray Lilly is a character from the Twenty Palaces series by Harry Connolly


Kellhus image courtesy of Overlook Press. Ray Lilly image courtesy of Chris McGrath and Del Rey books



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85 Responses to “Cage Match 2012: Round 1: Anasûrimbor Kellhus versus Ray Lilly”

  1. Callan S. says:

    Harry, I just wish I could edit my spelling errors – I mean, I misspelt ‘idea’, for gods sake! Dang! Unlike what judge posted, I think I’m talking compromise, not correction – kinda like haggling. I don’t think Ray would win, but hey, you wrote the piece, but as the compromise, would like something more than the surprise turn and punch. Just a bit more.

    Anyway, I’ve always been kind of interested in the supposed sidelines guys, the bit parts, the mooks. If Ray is kind of looking at making one of them cease to be some fodder in someone elses grand story and instead do something themselves, that’s interesting to me and I’ll look out for one of the books.

    Spectre, I think the story misses all the human nature issues that Kellhus’s power is about and provokes (ie, he’s a mary sue to make a statement about human nature, not just to be a mary sue for the sake of mary suism). It is hard to get that across as other people here who haven’t read prince of nothing kind of see the match up as a rock’em, sock’em robots punch up with Ray, the guy they’ve read about, their favoured winner.

    I don’t know what to do about that. We could concede the fight but still really impress the human nature issues are what the character is about (ie, in how Kellhus threatens human nature) and they aren’t really touched on here (indeed, human nature is such a hard subject it’s hard to touch on it in a short space, obviously).

    So I’d say be that guy…that cares. But let’s be honest, we care about the human nature issues the most ( which just can’t be covered easily here) and the saturday morning adventure approach only bothers us in that it skips human issues altogether. I’m sure alot of people here would be interested in the human nature problematic issue if raised, even if we just shrug on who winzorz the battlezorz.

  2. Spectre of Eschaton says:

    Well, Kellhus never had a chance of winning the tournament anyway, but I hadn’t studied the roster until today, and seeing Tyrion seeded right above him makes it all more or less moot, as someone said above. Still, I would dearly like to see the arguments that get made for Tyrion beating Kellhus, and am thus hoping Kellhus maintains his partial lead here. Has the potential to be rather entertaining, I think, even though we all know the inevitable outcome.

    @D.I. Waisanen, I’ve been trying to say that the entire time here. Maybe you’ll have more luck being heard, but, knowing how these things usually go, I doubt it.

    @Callan, I would agree, I think. It just offends me when Bakker gets written off as some kind of hack fantasy novelist when he’s writing some of the most salient, relevant, thought-provoking, and literary fantasy the genre has ever seen. The guy’s a (ABD) Ph. D. for crying out loud, calling his character a Mary Sue is pretty knee-jerk if you ask me. I partially blame Suvudu for that, though. With the overall goal of broadening people’s horizons within the genre in mind, they don’t do that good of a job it seems like, the way they misrepresent some of these characters.

    Anyway, I’m pretty much done with this one. A reasoned discussion is obviously not going to occur here this late in the game.

  3. judge says:

    honestly guys, we are talking about fictionalized characters here. this contest bows to no logic since magic doesn’t obey any established laws. to ask for a rational and factual reasons why A killed B defeat the purpose of the nature of fiction, and fantasy at that. i consider this fight more like poetic justice, i say. ray is as flawed as they come, and i like that. some people don’t like that. fine. personally, it just feels good to root for the underdog. so my vote went to ray. simple.

  4. Callan S. says:

    If it bows to no logic, why write the story above?

    Stories are based on some sort of story logic (one of a variety of story logics possible). Or was the story just produced from a thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters? If so, awesome!

    The story is some sort of assertion of a type of logic (a particular story logic).

    Granted, to tease out the patterns of logic an author used can be a long an arduous affair (cause often the author doesn’t even know), so yeah, there’s a reason to NOT get into it. But that it doesn’t bow to any kind of logic? Nah, that’s…that’s a whole bunch of stuff.

  5. judge says:

    what you are talking about is narrative. narrative needs logical format and logical sequence of events for it to move from point A to point B. or in some narrative, from point B to point A. it is used to construct the story. however, i’m talking about the logic some people are demanding to define “magical” limitations in this fight. it would be easier if magic, for instance, follows the laws of physics. then we can cry foul because we have basis for saying so, (ie) “He can’t jump that high coz that’s against the laws of gravity.” but this is a magic fight we are talking about, all is fair in love and war.

  6. MrIzzy says:

    This write-up severely undersells Kellhus.

    1) He is capable of colossul mindfucks. If Ray is human, Kellhus understands him. He can read faces, body language, etc. in a way that allows him to manipulate everyone and anyone. Basically, they wouldn’t have fought unless Kellhus wanted it.

    2) Because he has a perfect understanding of body language, he is faster than any human could possibly be. He literally knows what you’re going to do the microsecond you start doing it. He has diarmed and beaten the greatest Scylvendi warrior barehanded without breaking a sweat. Essentially, Ray wouln’t have hit him or cut him because Kellhus would have moved out of the way or blocked it.

    4) Kellhus can teleport. Just sayin’

    3) The magic thing is always tricky because no one quite knows how systems interact. But seriously, Gnosuis is the most powerful system in Kellhus’ world and he’s the master of it.

  7. Chris says:

    An important point to remember is that at the beginning of The Darkness That Comes Before Kellhus is probably capable of beating anybody in the world in single combat just because of his preternatural speed and reflexes. But when he encounters the Nonman at the start of the novel, he ultimately loses and has to flee for his life because he’s attacked with something unexpected – sorcery. It’s reasonable to assume that Kellhus-with-Gnosis, although within his own world capable of destroying more-or-less anybody magical (and presumably sensing the magic-deadening effects of Chorae well within time to get out of the way), is still capable of being defeated by something he doesn’t expect – magic from a different world, say. After all the entire power of the Dunyain is that they are master predictors, and you can only predict based on the data of what you know…

    Having said that I voted Kellhus because he’s awesome and I find Bakker’s series fascinating… I guess that is the problem with a competition like this, still I’ll justify my fanboy votes for Kellhus and Anomander Rake by making an effort to read the books of the miserably weak characters they’ll kill :-)

  8. Ryk E. Spoor says:

    @Don: I don’t LIKE it, but I don’t see this debate as nearly as flamy as things I’m used to, either.

    And I don’t think people should be dissing the characters, or authors, unless they’ve READ the stuff they’re dissing. You can have a godlike-powered character and he or she could be a boring superman, or they could be a great character in tense situations … if what they’re up against isn’t something that their superpowers can solve easily.

  9. AMS says:

    Seems like Ray’s paper knife, with the ability to cut through magic, could definitely pose a problem for Kellhus. I think it’s important to remember, however, that in Kellhus’s own world the Chorae serve a similar function, and Kellhus is quite adept at defeating Chorae equipped enemies. He survives battles that have hundreds of Chorae equipped arrows being fired at him from all directions, so I don’t think he would fall for Ray’s boomerang trick of calling the paper knife from behind him. Even if it could slice through his wards, Kellhus has other abilities (superhuman reflexes, teleportation, etc.) that would allow him to avoid the attack.

  10. Michele says:

    The writeup and description of Ray got me interested enough that I went and bought the ebook and have spent the last two days reading it. Ray’s an interesting guy and I definitely enjoyed it!

    I’ve already read Bakker’s books, and to the people who think that Kellhus sounds like boring character, read the books and I think you’ll quickly change your mind! He’s like a false Jesus on steroids who hijacks an entire civilization then kind of goes insane (and it only gets better from there). As it was mentioned in the comments earlier, it’s really not about his heroic journey.

    And it’s great if you like flawed characters; the books are chock full of them. I mean, Kellhus’s real power comes in his ability to see people’s flaws and motivations, exposing them and using them against people. Fascinating stuff.

    So in the end, after thinking about it, I think that Ray’s powers are a lot more limited than Kellhus’s (I’ve only read Connolly’s first book, so I don’t know if Ray gets more powerful from there, but I’m going off of what I’ve read), and that Kellhus has the advantage physically, mentally, and magically. My vote goes to Kellhus.

  11. Coithus Saubon says:

    Aw shoot, it’s too late to grab the popcorn. You people are suddenly being nice!

    It could’ve been a good write-up… if Kellhus had not been so mouthy with his titles from the start. I mean, telling everyone he’s a summoner is not like him, unless Ray could guess from the two demon-heads that he uses as accessories as of White-Luck Warrior.

    My vote goes to Kellhus, simply because I think he’d beat Ray. Also, holy crap my to-read pile just got bigger–Ray sounds like an interesting character.

  12. George says:

    Im not really seeing anything interesting about Ray. Sounds like typical lame storybook fiction to me. He just sounds like another Harry Dresden knockoff to me and after that last season of True Blood Ive had quite enough of exaggerated “what if it happened in our world” fantasy. Ill stick to my epics like A Song of Ice and Fire and The Second Apocalypse thank you very much. Im just about to start book 1 of the Malazan Empire :)

  13. KDX125 says:

    Disclaimer: I’ve read \Twenty Palaces\, I haven’t read \The Darkness That Comes Before\.

    Comments here are saying that Kellhus’s main power is his ability to read people, but there’s a spell on Ray that could interfere with that. It distorts the way Ray interacts with reality so that he can’t be connected back to a crime scene: fingerprints and DNA don’t match, eyewitnesses can’t pick him out of a lineup, video recordings can’t be used to identify him. In the write-up, Kellhus thinks that he’s never misread anyone as badly as he misread Ray; this spell is probably the reason why.

  14. Brad says:

    Tyrion fan here voting for Ray because the Harry Dresden knock-off will be easily beaten.

  15. Plate says:

    I wish Harry Connolly had enough respect for Bakker to actually have read his books before writing this crap.

  16. Spectre of Eschaton says:

    I’d argue that the Gnosis, after Kellhus gains it, is more of an advantage than his psychological warfare abilities.

    The Gnosis is described (more or less literally) as the Voice of God. When Sorcerers speak it, they are immediately, eternally damned for the blasphemy of doing so. Kellhus, though, as a Prophet (this is what he tells us, at least) is *entitled* to speak with the Voice of God. And thanks to his mental faculties, he is able to do things with it that even the greatest Gnostic sorcerers think is impossible — i.e. the metaGnosis. It gives him, with little exaggeration, Godlike power.

    It’s even possible that he is stronger than the Hundred Gods, seeing as he’s been to the Outside and has possibly encountered them, yet is still living, and they’re working through subterfuge to try and overthrow him, rather than direct confrontation. But, that’s a highly nebulous assertion and not well-founded with any evidence. Just a possibility.

    Also, could someone remind me, was it said that Ray’s knife works by afflicting the victim with sorrow and pain for their misdeeds? Because, morality is, um, a tricky thing in Kellhus’ world… it could be argued very convincingly that Kellhus has never committed a sin.

  17. veiled says:

    Please someone tell me how this carbon copy of Dresden beat the Aspect Emperor Warrior-Prophet of the First Holy War Harbinger of the Second Apocalypse? Makes me wonder if Achamian would have fared better against such a “deadly” foe….

    Grr… Time to take off fanboy hat.

  18. judge says:

    suddenly the intelligent conversation turned spiteful and childish. how can one possibly conclude it as “lame story book” when one hasn’t read the book and simply based it on reading other people’s feedback? even jim butcher only has nice thing to say about the Twenty Palaces series and recommends them to his fans. this match actually makes me interested to read about other books i missed even Bakker’s trilogy of trilogies. which is entirely the purpose of the cage match.

  19. Spectre of Eschaton says:

    Mr. Connolly, I hope you and your dishonest, blatantly-admitting-to-cheating sycophant fans are proud of yourselves.

    The sort of vindication you’ve achieved here is something to be cherished.

    As much as I detest Martin’s series, I will savor watching you be crushed under the weight of the GRRMsguard next round. And if you think your fans’ slavish efforts to fraudulently push this odious stain on literature through will succeed against Tyrion, I truly pity you once the good folk of Westeros get the defend-our-Lord-and-Master wheels rolling. Your flock may be willing to breach every standard of honesty to get you noticed here, but they have nothing on the psychotic fanaticism of Tyrion’s following.

    Best of luck to you, sir.

    And it was such an honor to quoted on your blog.

  20. judge says:

    Jeez, lighten up dude. It’s pretty embarrassing.

    Not only you insulted Mr. Connolly and accused him of deception and fraudulence without any basis, you also insulted Martin as well by detesting his series without any rational explanation.

    While hiding behind your internet anonymity is pretty convenient, treating “fantasy world” as real is a little bit worrying. You might need help mate. Seriously.

  21. Coithus Saubon says:

    Popcorn, anyone?

    @KDX125: Oh, that’s neat.
    Kellhus reads people’s faces (observes how the muscles underneath works). Yeah, if you say that, then it might interfere with Kellhus’ reading.

    @others: Chill, people. It’s not even the semis yet.

  22. vath says:

    Spectre, me getting a ton of my coworkers to vote lilly is hardly admitting to cheating.

  23. Mosqarii says:

    So an author takes some time out of a no doubt busy schedule to join in the fun to write an entertaining fight scene, and gets enraged hysterical whining instead?

    This snivelling display from some of you reminds me why I don’t hang out with SF fans.

  24. Spectre of Eschaton says:

    You all seem to be missing the point.

    Quoth barbarienne from what is presumably Mr. Connolly’s livejournal,

    \*whistling innocently*

    One hesitates to note that it is trivially easy to vote multiple times.\

    http://burger-eater.livejournal.com/915354.html#comments

    This was a problem in the cage match last year, and apparently Suvudu couldn’t be bothered to fix it, so we’ve moved even beyond popularity contest now, to something utterly corrupt.

    @Judge, you seem to have a misunderstanding of the word \basis\. And thank you for the free psych analysis, I am in awe of your Kellhus-like ability to divine my entire personality from a few comments on a fantasy cage match.

  25. judge says:

    no worries mate! your name is a giveaway. just go easy on the coffee. and the role-playing.

  26. D.I. Waisanen says:

    I can’t say that I’m not disappointed with this ultimate result. I was looking forward to seeing Kellhus match wits with Tyrion, as opposed to the standard “Tyrion arrives with insane preparation and defeats vastly more powerful foe.” Now, instead of seeing a match-up of two masterminds, we’ll instead get, “Tyrion maneuvers Ray into the battlefield and then drops three tons of rocks and pyromancer’s fire on him. Predicted winner: Tyrion.”

    I guess that Ray’s initial advantage with the write-up was just too much of an advantage to overcome.

  27. Kalbear says:

    Wow. I’m pretty embarrassed to have read the Prince of Nothing series now given these fans.

  28. Kalbear says:

    I also find it pretty ironic that were it not for Spectre of Eschaton’s fanboishness and general rudeness towards an author it is likely that Kellhus would have won, since Connolly asked his fans to vote more fervently only after he started posting.

    Nice work, Spectre! Kellhus would be very proud of you; you grasped the Shortest Path to a sure victory and went after it with great gusto. Most people wouldn’t even suspect you of being a Connolly fan.

  29. Kaladin says:

    @Spectre of Eschaton, you are not alone. Many feel the way you do about this. Thanks for speaking up and taking the attacks for those of us that remained silent as this bullshit unfolded.

  30. Zot says:

    I’ve read all of the 20P and Dresden Files books — I love both series. Ray Lilly isn’t a Dresden knockoff, by the way — to me, 20P compares to Dresden Files like Silence of the Lambs compares to Indiana Jones. I like them both, but they’re pretty different, despite both being the broad urban fantasy category.

    It’s interesting that all of the nasty comments seem to be coming from Prince of Nothing fans. Well, I’m going to try out the Prince of Nothing series, despite that.

  31. Spectre of Eschaton says:

    @_@

    I was actually thinking we *were* getting nasty here, but after a couple hours’ perusal of some other Bakker-related flame wars around the ‘net…

    We’re downright gentlemen here. Scary stuff.

    *backs slowly out of comments*

    (I’d still like someone to respond to the cheating…)

  32. Jonathan says:

    @Spectre

    About the cheating, I presume you mean the “vote multiple times* thing, yeah, it may seem like it since you can click the selection multiple times, but it only counts it once. (It has a message at the top that says “Thank You, We Have Already Counted Your Vote” or something like that) The only way I can see for you to vote more than once is physically getting on another computer and voting,

  33. Spectre of Eschaton says:

    From what I remember from last year, there was a method that involved deleting cookies and clearing the cache that allowed you to vote multiple times, and it was abused to gain thousands of votes for both fighters in the finals last year.

    I didn’t even bother to check it this year since I figured Suvudu would have fix it in the intervening year… but apparently not.

    So this is now a contest of: which fans have the most time on their hands and the longest attention spans.

  34. dpomerico says:

    I just want to say that I’ve heard a few things about cheating and Suvudu not doing anything.

    The first year it was a big problem, and we changed the polling system to take care of the problem.

    While yes, it probably is possible to vote numerous times, the times I’ve tried to test it have met with “Thanks, but you’ve already voted!” message. We feel like the process would be fairly involved, and overall, don’t think that “cheating” is affecting the outcomes of these votes.

    Obviously we want this to be fun–and we think it is–and we strongly discourage people from voting more than once. We love how passionate everyone is, and we hope any disagreements with the write-ups (which are generally meant to be provocative) are met with the spirit Cage Match is intended–enjoyment and love of the genre.

    Thanks!

  35. Sparky says:

    Spectre: It never ceases to amuse me that some people take this seriously. So this is now a contest of who has the biggest nerdrage. XD

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