SF & Fantasy

Cage Match 2012: Round 4: Erevis Cale versus Kylar Stern

The Contestants


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Erevis Cale
First Chosen of the Shadowlord
Age: 40s
Race: Shade
Weapons / Artifacts: Weaveshear
Redirect magic back at caster with Weaveshear

Kylar Stern
Age: 20s
Race: Human
Weapons / Artifacts: Knives; throwing spikes; sword…pretty much any weapon
Black ka’kari
Don’t be near a ley line if you want to survive. Or near Jenks.

The Breakdown


  • Infused with shadowstuff (as a result, can teleport from shadow to shadow, make shadowy duplicates of himself, merge with darkness)
  • Regenerative flesh
  • Powerful user of priestly magic

  • Powerful Talent (magic)
  • Skilled assassin
  • Has endured much in the way of pain and heartbreak

  • Sometimes “angsty”

  • Somewhere, deep down, he’s got a bit of a conscience


  • Gimli
    Well, you might make a cameo in The Hobbit movie
  • Harry Potter
    The Boy who died
  • Julia Wicker
    Dying is one way to go to a magical new realm

How we think the fight will go

How Paul S. Kemp, creator of Erevis Cale, thinks the match will go:

Cale sat in the center of Elgrin Fau’s ancient graveyard, surrounded by the dead, shrouded in the perpetual night of the Shadowfell. A crumbling temple to some long-forgotten god brooded over the graves, supervising the decay. Above, the interplanar rift split the starless sky. It was leagues wide and still growing, spitting green, sickly energy into the multiverse.

It would destroy everything unless Cale closed it, unless he stopped Anomander Rake.

The ground shook, gave a pained groan, existence fraying at the edges. A thunderhead loomed to the west, a rolling mountain of black clouds veined with yellow and green lightning. Universes were folding in on themselves.

Cale did not have much time left.

He ticked off the names of those he’d killed while making his way to Rake: Rico, Tannen, Morgan. Cale was already tired, tired in his bones from carrying the weight of those murders. None of three had done anything to earn them. They’d just been in his way, standing on the ground between him and Rake, and each one he’d killed had eroded his soul a bit more.

He accepted that – what other choice did he have? – but he didn’t know how much more murder he had in him.

His divinations had provided him more names, victims he’d have to cut through to get to Rake – Kelsier, Moraine, Wednesday, Kylar Stern, others.

He thought about those names a long time, the shadows swirling around him, and mustered what resolve he could dredge from his fading will. In time he stood and said the name of his next victim aloud, a small honor to presage a murder.

“Kylar Stern.”

He started to draw the shadows about him, preparing to move between worlds, but a soft, cold voice from behind halted him.

“Erevis Cale.”

Cale turned, saw a man standing ten paces from him. He was younger than Cale, medium build, cloaked, non-descript but for the weapons he wore: an anyman, perfect for a killer. Cale could guess his name. The multiverse must have grown impatient with Cale’s hesitation.

“Kylar Stern,” he said, not a question.

The man nodded from within his cloak. “You were about to go find me. About to go kill me.”

Cale didn’t bother to deny it. He looked up at the rift, then back at Kylar. “I don’t have any choice.”

“Then I don’t either,” Kylar said.

And with that he drew blades and bounded over the graves toward Cale, his movements preternaturally fast.

Cale barely managed to clear Weaveshear from its scabbard before Kylar was upon him, spinning, ducking, lunging, slashing. Cale stumbled backward, parrying as best he could with his larger blade, but stabs were everywhere. Kylar was a whirlwind made of sharp edges.

The shadows swirling round Cale turned some of the blows, his armor turned others, but others bit flesh. He bled from a dozen wounds and would have been dead already had the shadowstuff flowing in his veins not sealed the wounds almost as fast as Kylar made them.

Cale kept retreating, walking over the ancient dead, until he’d recovered enough from the initial onslaught to hold his ground. He sidestepped a stab, ducked another, leaped over a spinning leg sweep, and loosed a decapitating strike for Kylar’s head. Kylar ducked it, stabbed upward with a dagger, and Cale avoided being gutted only be careening backward, stumbling, nearly tripping.

Two hurled daggers Kylar produced from somewhere pursued Cale in retreat. Cale tried to lurch aside, but both hit home. They’d have pierced his heart had the shroud of shadows that cloaked him not killed their momentum and caused them to fall to the ground inert.

For the moment, Kylar did not follow up and Cale was grateful for it. Shadows churned around him. His breath came in gasps.

“What are you?” Kylar asked, pacing back and forth like a caged predator, eyeing Cale from under the hood of his dark cloak.

“What are you?” Cale responded, trying to figure out how in the Nine Hells Kylar had tracked him down. It was supposed to go the other way.

For answer Kylar sprinted toward him, once again moving faster than an ordinary man should’ve been able to move. Cale backpedaled, in his retreat hurriedly intoning the words to a spell that would shatter bones and ruin flesh. A black beam shot from Cale’s pointed finger, struck Kylar in the chest and…did nothing.

He was immune to Cale’s magic, perhaps to all magic.

Cale had only an instant for that to register before Kylar was upon him again, all blades and stabs and edges and pain. Cale answered as best he could, a flurry of blows with Weaves hear, a kick, a punch with his off-hand, but he only once put a glancing blow with his blade on Kylar’s shoulder. It rang off as if the man wore plate armor, yet he wore only leathers. Some magic warded his flesh.

Cale cursed, trying to think of an advantage he could use. The man was fast, stronger than he should have been for his size, and as well-trained a swordsman as Cale had ever seen. Steel rang as they attacked and parried, dancing through gravestones and time-eroded statuary, leaping over tombs. Shadows roiled while thunder growled. Flesh bled, mostly Cale’s.

Cale feinted to gain some room, then stepped through the shadows and materialized to Kylar’s right. He stabbed with Weaveshear, opened a gash in the man’s side, and stepped through the shadows once more, this time behind Kylar, and stabbed for his kidneys. But Kylar was too skilled for the ploy to work more than once and countered with a spinning parry that he rode into a kick. His booted foot caught the side of Cale’s head and sent him reeling, stumbling over a gravestone. Kylar lunged after him, both blades positioned for a killing stab.

Cale rode the shadows out of the way of the attack and appeared behind Kylar, but in the instant it took him to rematerialize, Kylar had disappeared.

“Shit,” Cale said, and hurriedly merged his own form with the darkness, likewise disappearing to normal sight. He stood still and listened, but heard nothing, not a footfall, not a breath.

Kylar was good. Very good.

Cale rode the darkness onto the roof eaves of the god of the dead’s temple. He winced with pain as the shadowstuff in his veins closed his many wounds. Lightning tore through the sky. He took the time to softly intone a spell, pulling on the divinity within him. He grew to half again his normal size, and his already shadow-enhanced strength and speed increased further. He’d need it if he was to defeat Kylar.

“Invisibility is just prolonging this,” he shouted into the dark. “Can you hear me?”

Kylar’s disembodied voice answered from somewhere to his right. “Prolonging what? Something brought me here and I knew your name somehow, that you were…evil, and that I had to kill you. So what is this?”

Again the earth shook. Above them, the rift yawned.

“I don’t know,” Cale said, shaking his head. “Not for certain. I only know the world’s ending if it’s not stopped.”

“Your world,” Kylar said.

“All worlds! Yours, too.”


“Did you hear?” Cale called. “Yours, too, Kylar. Is there no one in your world you care for? No one you love?”

More silence.

“If there is, to save them, one of us is going to have to die. Here. Now. There’s not much time left.”

Thunder boomed. Lightning split the sky.

Kylar re-appeared twenty paces away from the temple, blades in hand, violence in his face, cold eyes fixed on Cale. “I’ve no intention of dying here, Erevis Cale. So that leaves you.”

Cale gave a hard smile and shadows spun. “I guess we’ll see.”

He made himself visible and leaped from the roof toward Kylar. While airborne, he formed the shadows around Kylar into perfect duplicates of himself while riding the darkness into the air twenty feet above Kylar.

The shadow duplicates charged Kylar from all sides. Kylar responded, his movements a blur. Two daggers flew, struck duplicates, and dissipated them into nothingness. After that he must have deduced Cale’s ploy, or sensed his danger, for he bounded aside into a roll as the real Cale descended from above. Weaveshear chopped through empty air while Kylar regained his feet, reversed direction, and charged back at Cale.

Cale parried with Weaveshear, sidestepped a dagger thrust, and landed a kick to Kylar’s chest. Despite Cale’s increased size and strength, Kylar took the impact, gripped Cale’s leg, and twisted him to the ground. His blade whistled for Cale’s throat, but Cale rode the shadows back to his feet and behind Kylar.

Cale stabbed for the lungs, but Kylar spun, again with that inhuman speed, slapped Weaveshear to the side with his long blade, and drove a dagger overhand into Cale’s chest.

Cale groaned, staggered backward while blood poured from his chest. Shadows swam around him. Kylar stayed on him, unrelenting, and slashed at Cale’s throat. Cale parried the blow, fought through the pain, and did the only thing he could think of — he lowered his head and charged.

He caught Kylar off-guard, got his hands on him, rode the momentum of his charge into a spin, and flung Kylar fifteen paces through the air and into the doors of the temple. The impact shattered the doors, cracked the jambs, and Kylar careened into the dark interior of the temple.

Cale did not hesitate. He jerked the dagger from his chest while the shadowstuff healed the wound, roared, and sprinted into the temple. He expected to find Kylar prone on the polished stone floor.

Instead, he found nothing.

A sound from above pulled his gaze up but it was already too late. In the mere moment it had taken Cale to follow Kylar into the temple, the man had climbed into the temple’s ceiling beams and there waited, a dagger in each hand, both blades black with some kind of poison. He leaped down, landed on Cale’s back, wound his legs around Cale’s hips, and started stabbing him in the sides and chest, again and again and again, the blows coming so fast that Cale bled from a dozen holes before he’d drawn two breaths. The poison did not affect Cale but the blades did. Blood soaked his cloak; he swam in pain.

He dropped Weaveshear, tried to reach back and grab at Kylar, but still the stabs came, still the blood flowed. Shadows whirled around them, a storm of darkness. Cale backpedaled hard into the stone wall of temple, slamming Kylar against it. The man grunted, but did not relent. The blades continued to rise and fall, spraying crimson lines on the air, putting bloody holes in Cale.

Cale slammed Kylar against the wall again, again, again.

“Just die!” Kylar said, his voice a hiss, his blades a blur.

“I…can’t,” Cale grunted, feeling steel scrape ribs, feeling a lung puncture. “I won’t.”

His shadow-infused body almost kept up with Kylar’s blows, closing wounds moments after they were made. Still, the pain made him see sparks, summoned gasps and groans. He slammed Kylar into the wall again, dislodged him just enough to cause Kylar to rear back.

And that was what Cale needed. He threw his head back and caught Kylar hard in the face. Kylar groaned, recoiled, sloughed from Cale’s back. Cale whirled, throwing a sloppy elbow as he turned. It caught Kylar in the cheek and sent him reeling to the floor. Cale leaped atop him, his hands digging at Kylar’s face. Kylar dropped his daggers and his hands climbed Cale’s chest until they reached his throat. They closed on the windpipe, squeezed.

Darkness enveloped them both; and sharp breaths, grunts of exertion, and gasps of pain populated the darkness. Cale got a finger of one hand in Kylar’s mouth and tore at his cheek. He got the forefinger of his other hand in Kylar’s eye and rooted in the eye socket, digging deep.

No doubt sensing his danger, Kylar twisted his head to the side and bit down on Cale’s finger, severing it. Cale screamed, recoiled, and as he did the finger of his off-hand hooked Kylar’s eye and jerked it from the socket.

Kylar’s screams joined Cale’s and both men rolled away from one another, bleeding, for the moment solitary in their agony. Neither stayed prone long. Both swallowed down their pain and rose at the same time. They stood on pain-wobbled legs, bleeding, breathing hard, staring at one another across the temple floor. Kylar’s eye dangled from a string of veins and sinew. Blood poured from Cale’s mangled hand, from the dozens of wounds in his chest and back. He shed his cloak and it hit the floor in a wet, gory pile.

Kylar had produced another pair of knives. “How many more holes can you take, shadowman?”

Cale spit a mouthful of blood, winced as another wound closed. “More than you can give.”

He looked over at Weaveshear, but dismissed the idea of using it. This wouldn’t end with steel.

“We end it in close,” he said. “Close work, yeah?”

Kylar winced at some pain or other and nodded, his eye bouncing on its gory string. “Close, yeah.”

A pause, a nod, a look, and then they charged one another, colliding at speed, both of them past training, past technique. They embraced in savagery, nothing more or less. Cale’s greater size and strength allowed him to drive Kylar to the floor. Kylar stabbed him while Cale loosed a flurry of punches, blows powered by his shadow and spell-enhanced strength, blows powerful enough to crack the floor when they missed and stave an ordinary man’s skull when they hit.

But Kylar was no ordinary man.

Cale shattered his nose and Kylar continued his stabs. A punch crushed Kylar’s cheek, collapsing one side of his face, and still Kylar stabbed. A blow popped the gory grape of Kylar’s dangling eye and still the man fought, still he stabbed, finally slitting Cale’s abdomen wide open in his screaming desperation. Cale’s guts spilled out and he shrieked in pain while his body tried to regenerate the horrific damage.

And still they fought, in a cloud of shadows, in a pond of gore, the one stabbing and screaming, the other punching and shrieking.

“Die!” Kylar said, his dagger blows punctuating the words. “Die!”

“I can’t!” Cale answered, punching, turning Kylar’s face into a ruin. “I can’t or we all do!”

Another punch, another stab, another punch, another stab, another punch, a spray of blood and the give of bone and cartilage and…

Kylar arms fell limp to his side. He went still.

Cale collapsed atop him, exhausted, his exposed guts pressed between their bodies. His body shook from the exertion, from the agony. He was lightheaded. He rolled to the side, gritted his teeth, and started shoveling the slick ropes of his entrails back into the hole in his abdomen. He screamed with pain as the shadows swirled around him, remade him.

Beside him, a wet groan passed the ruin of Kylar’s mouth.

Cale was instantly back on alert, reaching for a dagger, but there was no need.

Kylar turned his head to look at Cale, the bloody pulp of his face a map of pain. His ragged, bloody lips moved, made whispered words.

“Why won’t…you die?” he said to Cale.

Cale regarded him a long moment. “Gods, man, why won’t you?”

Kylar laughed, the sound bubbly and wet. He turned his head to look back up at the ceiling. His breathing slowed, grew fainter. He lifted his forearm off the floor, hand open. Cale understood the gesture right away – a warrior’s farewell, a sign of respect. He clasped Kylar’s hand in his own and held it while it grew cold.

On a shared world, Cale thought that maybe he and Kylar Stern would have been blood brothers. Or if not, they’d have been the worst of rivals. But on this one…

On this one Kylar was dead, and Cale was his killer.

And that was as it had to be.

After a long time Cale rose, still pained from his many wounds, and left Kylar and the temple behind.

He stepped outside, into the graveyard. He was one step closer to Rake. He looked up at the rift, Rake’s rift, and made a promise.

“I’m coming for you , Anomander Rake.”

Predicted Winner: Erevis Cale


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Erevis Cale is a character from the Erevis Cale trilogy by Paul S. Kemp; Stern is a character from the Night Angel series by Brent Weeks.

Erevis Cale image courtesy of Raymond Swanland and Wizards of the Coast. Kylar Stern image courtesy of *syku-wolf

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Cage Match fans: We are looking forward to hearing your responses! If possible, please abstain from including potential spoilers about the books in your comments (and if you need spoilers to make your case, start your comments with: “SPOILER ALERT!”


142 Responses to “Cage Match 2012: Round 4: Erevis Cale versus Kylar Stern”

  1. Asteron says:

    @Tempest &Dave

    You are correct in that there are no mechanics in the novels themselves, but Paul has drawn up Cale’s stats and abilities in D&D PC form. He has levels in Rogue and Cleric. He also has the Shade template that can be found on pg 314 of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (3.5.) Weaveshear has also been detailed.

  2. shizzlenitts says:

    Fantastic write up Paul , i’d love to spend a day in the Kemp imagination theme park.

    @ raivih

    I agree , even if cale doesnt win i would love to see Pauls write up on the events.
    I am a huge cale fan and after all the scrapes cale has taken i think he has the metal to see him through to the end.
    My votes for cale. Kinda wishing Paul had written a “Cale with part of his gods Divinity” fight.

  3. Joeshmoe says:

    Those who think that Kylar would win obviously have not read any of the Cale books.

    How many times did Klyar get himself kill because of his bad judgement. Arrow through the back because he misread a situation and didn’t pay attention to his surrounding. losing an arm to the ferali then getting stabbed in the back and dieing in front of the god king and demanding to go back like a little child. come on now.

    He has no instinct whatsoever. Knowing that Vi had a compulsion spell, he still allowed her to stab his back. ( yes he though she was cured) but still any good sin would be wary. Did he not hear her behind and wonder why she isn’t attacking from another angel. Vi killed the God king not Kylar. He’s a kid that makes alot of mistake. Cale has something KLYAR doesn’t it’s called instinct, situation awareness. To bad it’s a popularity contest.

    no more stories now from kemp. good job Kylar fan’s

  4. notafanofeither says:

    Pretty sure I just voted for Kylar because Kemp always predicts Cale will win. Also, I’m more than annoyed at all of the bluster and name calling from round 3.

  5. Rysan says:

    Seems like we Rachel fans voting here now….

  6. David says:

    @ joeshmoe
    major spoilers for NAT but im guessing if your here your not gonna care much about spoilers anyway…
    Im not sure you realize this but im certain D&D is way more widely known then the NAT and popularity would give it to cale based solely on the fact the series has a connection to a major sci-fi community in D&D. Now as to why i think Cale just wouldnt have won is the KaKari would have just devoured him and there is nothing ive seen from either description by the author or anything listed by anyone else as to why that isnt possible. so until someone can explain an ability that would stand up to something devouring ANYTHING not made specifically to unmake it on contact IE balefire or a weapon capable of unmaking both physical objects and magical forms of energy with great efficiancy.

  7. Dimitri says:

    That was a very good fight but you happen to forget that Kylar Stern is unable to die. Also Kylar learned his lesson when The God King had him killed. Fists to fists wouldn’t work because Kylar would know how to use the black KaKari to devour Cale. Anyways My vote goes for The Night Angel

  8. Jonathan says:

    Okay, reasons why Cale would win:

    Spoiler alert:

    The last iteration of Cale was as a God. Yes, Cale received the essence of a God to add to his already being a fairly epic character. Not to mention that as you talk about Kylar’s KaKari devouring magic, you seem to miss that Weaveshear does the same thing, and then sends the magic back at the caster. They both operate best in similar environments, the big difference is that Cale is now of a race that benefits specifically from that environment. Yeah, Kylar is pretty good, I just don’t see him defeating Cale.

  9. Joeshmoe says:

    People who think that the black ka’kari can swallow everything is wrong..

    Remember also Kylar got the shit kick outta him by (untalented ) Lantano wielding Curoch. If lantano hit any harder w/ Curoch it would of destroyed the Ka’kari. Yes later on he trained w/durzo and got better.
    When faced w/ adversity KYLAR always has doubts. Whenever he’s losing he always had doubts. When Cale is losing he doesn’t have doubt instead he has conviction.

    But then again i don’t expect Kylar fans to understand because they have no clue who CALE is….

  10. Cwhite says:

    One of the most entertaining fights I’ve read in a long time. While I felt that the write up did Kylar justice, the result is still obviously skewed (I can’t imagine any author predicting a loss for their character but I could be proved wrong) as is my vote for Kylar. I think this contest did its job because I’m now very interested in reading the Erevis Cale trilogy.

  11. Lee Monroe says:

    I believe it would come down to a pure physical fight,in which case, kylar wins,because he is clearly far faster then Cale,and the Ka’Kari would prevent his healing.

    So yeah, Kylar wins.

  12. Lee Monroe says:

    Also, I think everyone is trying to factor magic into it, which makes this fight more complicated.

    Here are the facts as I see them.

    1. magic is useless against Kylar, so it’s pointless to even try and use against him

    2. Magic also seems to be ineffective against Cole, but only Offensive magic, as from what I understand it just gets used against the caster.

    3. The Ka’Kari renders Cole’s regeneration useless, as shown by Kylar’s fight against the Ferali.

    4. Kylar’s speed makes him dangerous against Cole, as shown above, Kylar’s dagger giving him a huge advantage.

    5. If Cole’s shadow ability works like I think it does, then Kylar can see him.

    In conclusion. It comes down to a physical fight, with virtually no magic involved. This means Kylar has a huge advantage, because he can fight well even without magic. Cole is good with a sword, but as shown above, it’s suicide to go up against Kylar’s speed with his sword. So, knowing that Cole cannot regenerate, Kylar wins.

    Oh, and one more thing. Kylar has a devious mind, he won most of his last matches by trickery, so I’m betting Kylar could figger something out rather quickly, and exploit Cole’s weaknesses with deadly effectiveness.

  13. Tempest says:

    A few things people are clearly missing:

    Kylar is not unable to die, he’ll simply be able to return from the dead by having a close friend/loved one killed in his stead, if he died during these Cage Matches he’d still lose, regardless of the fact that he’d be able to return at a later time. Dying = Losing

    The Black Ka’Kari can’t swallow everything, and I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be able to simply swallow Cale

    The Black Ka’Kari won’t stop Cale’s regeneration, even if it did he’d still be able to use priestly magic to heal his own wounds

    Kylar needs to concentrate in order to regenerate, Cale does not

    Kylar is faster, but not by much, and Cale is much stronger after applying divine buffs to himself

    Weaveshear is no able to absorb anything but magic drawn from the Weave, so that ability of the sword is pointless in this fight, just like many of Kylar’s abilities won’t have any effect on beings from an entirely different setting.
    Setting specific strenghts and weaknesses most likely won’t apply in these Cage Matches, considering that some characters would simply be immortal or nigh-unbeatable if that was the case

    Mr. Kemp is placing Cale as the winner in all of his matches for one clear reason: he’s writing a story wherein Cale overcomes a number of enemies in order to finally fight and defeat Rake. Having Cale die just because he thinks another character might be stronger than him, would ruin the continuity of the story.

  14. Tempest says:


    Ferali =/= Cale, they’re not the same being, stop trying to argue that the Black Ka’Kari would stop his regeneration, it won’t.

    It’s clearly stated that Kylar is unable to see a person who has become invisible with magic, therefore he also wouldn’t be able to see Cale, if Cale was just hiding in the shadows he’d be able to, but he isn’t, it’s an actual magical effect

    It doesn’t come down to a physical fight with virtually no magic involved, Cale has a huge number of buffs and spells available in order to strenghten himself, there’s no need to use any sort of offensive spells against Kylar

  15. The Riddler says:

    the ka’kari can swallow anything other than Retribution and Curoch

    also to all those people saying Kylar needs to concentrate to regenerate you are only half right, he heals passively but it is much slower than if he concentrates
    also don’t bother argueing on whether the ka’kari would stop Cale’s healing there is no way to find out and trying to prove it one way or another will just incite a rather large argument

  16. Rysan says:

    Its CALE not COLE.

    As for their weapons this is what I see.
    The Ka’kari can swallow anything except those 2 things in Kylar’s world. Weaveshear works against weave magic of Cale’s world.

    Cale can Buff himself to more than match or overmatch Kylar’s speed. Doesnt need to cast spells on Kylar. Cale wont need his regeneration if he can just heal himself instantly with a spell.

    DnD is probably better known than NAT but DnD encompasses ALOT of worlds and characters, not all DnD fans follow Forgotten Realms characters, many like and are loyal to the other DnD settings. If all the DnD players would vote for Cale it would probably be a landslide victory for Cale.

    I voted for Cale because I love the character, but he also comes from my favorite setting/world which is FR.

  17. Lee Monroe says:

    Sorry, Cale.

    I’m fairly certain the Ferali and Cale’s regeneration work the same, which means he cannot regenerate the way he does, so he has to use magic. Kylar could absorb that magic.

    Also, the only thing the Ka’kari cannot devour is the Blade Of heaven and iures, aka, Retribution.

    Everything else is fair game because they weren’t made to not be devoured by the ka’Kari.

    Anyway, Kylar has this, so I don’t care so much anymore.

  18. david says:

    @ tempest
    Im not sure where your refrence comes to not being able to see invisible people? cause Kylar sees durzo in there fight and durzo is better then anyone else in the NAT at making himself invisible yet with the Ka”Kari he was able to see Durzo once he concentrated and looked directly at him while Durzo could not detect Kylar from the same distance away. On top of this the book even mentions there is a difference between hiding and wrapping yourself in shadow like others do with magic and what the Kakari does. It grants real invisibility as in leave no trace visible, while it never directly says it effects heat output it does say it removed even the harshest of smells and muted the noise Kylar makes while moving so im assuming ( and i think very fairly) that it removes any and all detectable traces which would include heat detection sound detection smell visual instinctive (ie magic driven tracking or detection).


  19. Jon Schiavinato says:


    Thank you for answering my question.

  20. shizzlenitts says:


    I’d like to see anyone stand up to cale when he has just stolen some of masks divinity.
    Cale would ruin them all.
    So technically it really all depends at what stage in a fighters development they are vs ea other.

  21. Asteron says:

    While it is a moot point now, I would like to say one final thing:

    Does the black stop natural healing? If i recall correctly, it doesn’t. Cale’s healing is just like natural healing, except that it happens much faster than ours does. Wounds that would take days or months to heal for us only take seconds or minutes to heal for him.

    Also, the black would NOT be able to devour Cale or his sword. Not once do you see the black devouring a living person or animal (the ferali is different, it is a being created by magic and therefore susceptible to the black’s ability.) Nor can it devour artifact level items, which Weaveshear qualifies for.

    However, it is a moot point since Kylar won…

  22. Mess says:

    Actually, Asteron, the Black ka’kari can absorb living people. *SPOILER* After all, the true killing blow against Godking Garoth Ursuul was made with the Black Ka’kari, which Dorian notes isn’t a simple cut, but that part of Garoth’s head simply wasn’t there anymore. It was Devoured.

    Also, there is a possibility that Cale’s healing COULD be negated by wounds inflicted by the Black Ka’kari. However, I cannot stress enough that this is mere speculation, as this supposition is based off of extrapolation and am not overly versed in Cale’s abilities. *MORE SPOILERS* When Kylar stabs Elene to kill Khali, Sister Ariel notes that no wound inflicted by Curoch can be healed. As the Black Ka’kari is arguably the most powerful magical artifact in the NAT universe, the same could be true of the Black Ka’kari, as the creator of Curoch studied the Black Ka’kari in great depth.

    Regardless of the speed of Cale’s healing, since he can’t use magic to heal the Black Ka’kari’s wounds and even if his natural regeneration is unaffected that isn’t a winning strategy on which to rely. (Again, I can’t stress enough that I’m not overly fluent in Cale’s abilities, so I apologize in advance if my suppositions are wrong.) Since as I’ve noted before, when the Black Ka’kari wounds someone, it doesn’t just cut them it actually devours the section of the person’s body the Black passes through; Cale would need to rely on his body’s natural resources to heal. He would have to create flesh from the rest of his body and divert his body’s natural resources to heal said wound. Anyone that has really been wounded would know this is exhausting. A normal cut can be knitted with little drain, and normally magic can easily pick up the slack with no noticeable drain. In this case, Cale would become exhausted after healing only once or twice. Even a little exhaustion can lead to a minor mistake, which is suicide against Kylar.

    Final thing to remember when bringing up Cale’s buffs, is that they can very likely be matched by Kylar’s use of his Talent. It’s been stated since fairly early in the first novel that Kylar has a natural affinity for body magics, and can increase his speed and strength to unbelievable heights. Of course, how these would stack up against each other is debatable, I just wanted to point out that you simply can’t write Kylar off because of Cale’s ability to magically buff himself.

  23. Mess says:

    Sorry for the double post, but after I made the last one I felt I should add this.

    I enjoyed Mr. Kemp’s write-up, and hold not even the tiniest bit of ill-will against him for killing Kylar in his post. After all, Cale is his character and he’d want him to win, and as others have said it’s in-character for him to try to get all the way to the end to fight Rake. Regardless, it isn’t the authors who determine who is projected to win each battle, but the sponsors of this tournament. And they’ve admitted that while they’ve read up on the characters, they also admit that they aren’t masters of the source material. That’s why it’s a guideline, not absolute.

    Anyway, this is fun. Whether you disagree or agree with the decisions, it’s still a fun little jaunt. And it’s a good way to find out about other good stories to read. I think that’s the really great thing about this whole thing. The opportunity to expand our fantasy/literary horizons.

  24. theAKpal says:

    Finished the 3rd Kylar book. The black does not devour everything. Period! If it did, there would’ve been no need for them all to *****SPOILER****** touch Curoch and kill the krul army. He could’ve just walked outside and stood there letting them attack and devour them all. Prior to this, he could’ve just devoured the titan rather than fight it and end up broken after falling off. Also, with this, he could’ve used the black to devour the ground below him so he didn’t get hurt and slowing himself gradually. Heck, he could’ve just told the allied armies to head home and gone out to devour everyone else. Then, he and Durzo could’ve gone in to kill Khali. Moreso, if it could devour everything, then Durzo would’ve just devoured all the other ka’kari rather than spending so much time hiding them around the world. *****SPOILER END*****

    So, no, the black does not devour everything. And, even if it theoretically could, Kylar is neither intelligent nor wise enough to do so to its full potential. So, keep this in mind for Kylar’s next match, as he obviously won this one, whether deserving or not. I’m going to miss Kemp’s meta-storyline. It added that extra something to the whole cage match process lacking in all the others. Of course, why Rake would be doing the whole reality-merging thing in the first place is beyond me…

  25. Jlingo says:

    Man I wish Cale won!!! Kemp’s write-ups were the best I ever read in the Cage Fights! He had an ongoing narrative with a mission that tied them all the fights together and great motivation for the character. Mr Kemp, virtual bow and applause…….

  26. Lathspell says:

    Honestly, no one can accurately predict how the outcome of the fight will be without knowing BOTH characters and their abilities well (well enough being that someone could fully explain how Cale’s regeneration and shadow manipulation works while still being able to explain, in detail, the gifts granted by the Ka’kari). I don’t know much about Cale, but I can tell from his stats that even with Kylar’s abilities this would be a good match. They seem to have very similar-if not some of the same-abilities and that makes for an interesting battle, since they kind of cancel each other out.

    To put some things at rest about the Ka’kari, NO, it cannot devour everything (as it cannot devour Iures, the Staff of Law, or Curoch, the Sword of Power) but it has been proven that it can in fact devour many other things aside from magic: clothes, weapons, of course the ferali, and, as proven when ******SPOILER******the Ka’kari devoured the head of Godking Garoth Ursuul,*****people.

    But with all that aside, I think this write-up was amazing, and Cale is definitely being added to my ever-growing list of books I need to read. Respect to Kemp; I think he did a great job trying to overlook the magic (as I said, they have similar abilities that cancel each other out) and sticking to close combat. I feel like the fight might actually have gone something like this.

  27. JohME says:

    Kylar fanboys are just stupid. If you look at all the comments above people who’ve read both books, all of them said that Cale would win.

    Its like asking someone who just watch a basketball college player who amazing and is their favorite player w/out ever seeing Jordan playing,

    Don’t bother arguing w/ kylar fans they’ve never seen Jordan play…. You notice all they do is say I don’t know much about Cale’s ability but it must be like this. No it’s not like that take this w/ a grain of salt don’t blame kylar fans for being ignorant. That’s their favorite wetboy. They’ve never read about the Shade that is Cale. Unlike whining kylar always throwing away his lives and crying about it, Cale is everything that kylar isn’t w/ the power.

  28. JohME says:

    Once they go and read the Cale book’s please admit you were wrong, in the future matches. Kylar got his ass handed to him by lantano. I see durzo w/ the black ka’kari w/ the experience would be a better match than you stupid kylar.

    Send me back send me back, I’m so stupid i got stab in the back i must kill the god king

    … Do you want to escape kylar the king has put contract to save you. “no i’m a stupid kid that needs to make a point dont worry because i’m immortal…

    ..What, I fucked up again an this time Elene is gonna die …. no no no sorry i’m a brat…….

    this is the guy that beats Cale really,,,

  29. Asteron says:

    The point at which the Godking died, he obviously ceased to be a living thing! The black itself said that it can’t control what it devours (when it ate the crotch out of Kylar’s pants.) If it could devour living things, it would have eaten bits of Kylar all the time. Or how about all of the times that Durzo handled it? Even after it rejected him? It cannot devour living things!

    I’ve read bofh series, multiple times. I would have picked Cale every time because he is one of the more powerful beings in a universe filled with vastly overpowered beings. Nothing in the NAT universe comes close…

  30. Lee Monroe says:

    @ JohME Mate, what if I called you a reatrd for arguing against Kylar? Your a fricken hypocrite, you know that? Your obviously a fan of Cale, and so your bashing on Kylar. Not only that, you seem to be a sore loser. I admit, I haven’t read Kemps books. I’m sure Cale is an excellent character, and I’m sure Kemp is an amazing author. However, I don’t know Cale, and I don’t go by what others state, I go by what I have read. I voted for Kylar because I know Kylar. I know that he’s amazingly good at what he does. Sure, I’ll take your word for it that Cale might win, but I haven’t read the books so I can’t say for certain. So, if I can’t say for certain, I vote for my favorite. Also, I try to go by what would happen in a TRUE fight, without all these rules. The fact is, Kylar is immortal;, he can keep coming back. Not only that, there are probably many things that Kylar would choose to do instead of a straight on fight like this. For one, all he needs to do is go invisible and shank Cale with the Ka’kari. I’m pretty sure Cale wouldn’t be able to regenerate from a wound the Ka’Kari inflicted.

    Now, I suggest you stop bashing Kylar fans, as you wouldn’t want your favorite charcter bashed on either.

  31. Chris says:

    @Lee Yeah, I’ll second everything you said in response to JohME. I’ll also recommend the Cale series to you. Quite enjoyable and similar to NAT.
    @Asteron The ka’kari is sentinent, which is a major factor as that was the reason Durzo’s dagger was eaten. Kylar was initially using it as a tool, so devouring his clothes was its way of getting his attention.

  32. Metacognition says:

    JohME: I’m very sorry to say that I was really looking forward to reading Kemp’s books (I didn’t vote, as I don’t know both characters). I thought the argument back and forth here was (for the most part) very well handled and very thorough. I already respected Cale as an opponent after reading through the write up and after hearing all the praise others were giving to him, I was eager to jump into Cale’s story.
    Your poor reaction to the outcome has dampened that. Not enough to keep me from reading them, as I won’t blame the author for having such lackluster fans, but I’m not as excited as I once was, just because of your narrow mindedness. I want to apologize to KEMP for your attitude, as if this the general reaction of his fan base, I truly feel sorry for him.
    These fights aren’t the end all say all. In my opinion, they are only there to drive discussion. I would’ve never learned as much about Cale (or Kylar for that matter) without the comments and I’m sure I’m not the only one.
    So, thank you, JohME. You’ve taken a fun, enlightening debate and turned it childish. I hope you haven’t turned others away from reading Kemp’s books just so they don’t have to associate with you as a fan.

  33. Mess says:

    Well, I do rather admit that while I really do like Kylar, for the purpose of this tournament Durzo would have been a better choice. And I have liked the dialogue from he fans, other than JohME’s whining of course.

    Kemp’s write-ups were all very well done, and the only shame to the defeat of Cale is that he won’t be doing any more write-ups. Of course, though Cale won in the write-up, there were faults in the narrative that resulted only from Mr. Kemp not knowing the character of Kylar perfectly, for which he really cannot be faulted. I can’t stress enough that I am not criticizing Mr. Kemp and his amazing write-up, I just want to provide more facts for ardent supporters of Cale as to why I believe they are still underestimating Kylar Stern. For example, when Kylar had his hands around Cale’s neck, he could have just brought the Ka’kari to his hands and decapitated Cale. Not to mention, at the end when Cale scoops his viscera back into his body and heals, *SPOILER* Kylar would have healed himself at the same time, since he learns very rapid healing right before the confrontation with Khali at the end of Beyond the Shadows.

    @theAKpal – Well, there are flaws in your reasoning. *MORE SPOILERS for the rest of this paragraph* First, the Black can devour everything but Curoch and Iures, and can only absorb so much before the energy needs to be released. As seen when he snatched the diamonds out of the neck of the Ferali when he and Vi were going to kill the Godking and absorbed so much magic that he glowed while still invisible. As for the krul army… if he’d have tried that, everyone would have been slaughtered long before he could have devoured millions and millions of krul. Not to mention that after he’d just had to kill Elene, the literal love of his entire life, he wasn’t thinking clearly. When it comes to Khali, if Kylar had used the Black rather than using Curoch, then he may have been able to kill Khali (assuming she didn’t see it coming and just become disembodied again), but then the Vir wouldn’t have died as well. Doing that required the use of Curoch, unless he wanted to hunt down all the Vir everywhere and devour them one at a time. And keep in mind that Durzo never said he wanted the other Ka’kari destroyed, only that he wanted to keep them out of the hands of people that would misuse them… it’s been hinted more than once, especially in Perfect Shadow, that gathering all the Ka’kari as well as Curoch and Iures is required for some unknown purpose. And finally, Kylar is intelligent enough to use the Black effectively, the problem is that he had neither knowledge or training for the overwhelming majority of the Trilogy. I’ve been reading these matches under the assumption that they take place AFTER the final events of Beyond the Shadows, when he starts to get a grasp on what he can do.

    @Asteron Like Chris said, *EVEN MORE SPOILERS* the Black Ka’kari is sentient and it can choose what it devours and how much. The reason the Black didn’t devour Durzo and Kylar is because it bonded with them in a symbiotic co-existence. They were immune to being devoured in the same way that bearers of the Red Ka’kari were immune to being burned by their own magical fire. Of course, they were still affected to degrees, having their scents, poisons (including alcohol) and other things devoured from their body.

    I want to echo the sentiments of Lathspell, Lee Monroe, and Metacognition.

    Finally, what I know of Cale I learned from a friend who is an ardent fan of his, so again I can’t express enough that I’m not an expert. But the amazing write-up by Mr. Kemp and many of Cale’s fans (with the obvious exception of JohME) here that have participated in this discussion have assured that I will be reading these books the next chance I get the funds together to go buy books.

  34. Not Telling says:

    @Lee Monroe
    This is to the DEATH, not DEATHS. Any people who have more than one life only need to die once, OK. It’s bugging me that Kylar fans are saying, “he can come back after he dies!!!11!” PEOPLE ONLY MUST DIE ONCE TO LOSE.

    That being said, I am planning on reading Kylar’s books after MBotF, Temeraire, and Erevis Cale. They sound like a good series.

    Don’t be a fanboy. Fanboys ruin series for me, I don’t need the series to be ruined for me.

    @everyone looking for new books
    Try the website, “paperbackswap.com”. You can trade books to people to recieve credits, and use credits to get books from people. They are lacking some books, but it’s a nice way to get rid of books you don’t want, and get books you’ve heard about and want to try.

  35. Josue says:

    We need to have Kylar Vs Drizzt Do’Urden. :3

  36. Warby says:


    Your so right. I’m just reading the Forgotten Realm books, the battle between them would be so amazing. It would have to be a couple of pages long, to bad they didn’t put Drizzt in the poll.

  37. Asteron says:


    Drizzt was in it 2 years ago and took 3rd


    *****SPOILERS******?I’m sorry, but you are making extrapolations that were never mentioned in the books. First off, the Black SAID OUTRIGHT that it could not control what it devours. Also, Durzo used the black to steal Curoch back from the woods (the name of which escapes me.) Which is long after the black abandoned him. Thus, he wouldn’t have been protected from any symbiotic relationship (which isn’t mentioned in the book, btw…)

    Second, Curoch and Iures are the only examples that we get to see that the Black can’t devour. I would venture to guess that the Earrings that he and Vi wore were also impervious because of their potent magic (just hoping that is the case, otherwise they were just an annoying plot devices that diminishes the books a bit for me.) Perhaps there are other things that it wouldnt be able to devour, like the other ka’kari, or the new Blade of Heaven…******END SPOILER******

    My point is, you are coming up with info that was never put in the books…

    Rake will totally own Kylar just as bad as he would have Cale…

  38. Mess says:

    Asteron, yes, I am coming up with information that was never said explicitly in the books, but some of which can be inferred from things that were said in the books.

    *SPOILERS until the end* About the symbiotic relationship, it essentially defines the relationship between the Black and its bearer. If it weren’t, it would have no need to find a bearer in the first place. The bearer gets access to their Talent, immortality, and numerous other benefits that they would not have without the Black Ka’kari. It, on the other hand, not only finds someone that will act with it on its ideals; but its magic is powered by the love of its bearer. Without a bearer, the Black Ka’kari is just a metal sphere imbued with latent magic and sentience. Two beings co-existing in a way that benefits both parties involved is the very definition of a symbiotic relationship, regardless if the terms was used in the books or not.
    As for the Black choosing what it can devour, it’s something that can be extrapolated from a conversation between Kylar and the Black Ka’kari. When Kylar asks it to stop devouring his things, the Black says that it “won’t comply” not that it “cannot comply.” It even goes into its speech about how devouring things is in its nature and about the eventual futility of fighting one’s own nature. It can be done for a while, but not forever. Durzo even tells Kylar later in Beyond the Shadows that the being Kylar is sharing his head with is more powerful and sentient than he knows, only acting simpler in order to keep from scaring Kylar until he gets used to it. And if this is indeed the case it explains why Durzo wasn’t devoured when he went into Ezra’s Wood to get Curoch, as the Black Ka’kari did not want to devour him even though we know it can devour people.
    The true Ceur’caelestos aside since it would be flimsy speculation no matter which side one chooses to take, Curoch and Iures are the only confirmed things the Black cannot devour… and there is a logical explanation for those. Ezra, who created both Curoch and Iures, had studied the Black Ka’kari in extreme detail and could have forged both to be immune to the Black’s devouring effects. At the very least, we know Iures was made after Curoch and the other six Ka’kari. Now, why Kylar didn’t (or couldn’t) devour the earrings is a very debatable issue, as I myself can imagine multiple reasons. Aside from being incapable, it’s highly plausible that it couldn’t devour the earring because of its compulsion. Kylar would have had to have willed the Ka’kari to devour them, which the compulsion could easily have rendered moot. The same thing happens when Khali takes control over him at the end of Beyond the Shadows; he could have broken the compulsion but he would have needed to be able to actually will it to happen.

  39. keegan says:

    i am a Kylar fan and have not yet read any of Kemp’s books about Cale. That being said, it is my understanding from the material provide here about Cale that this is one fight that never should happen and if it does will never really end. When u get down to the bare basic’s about both characters, there prity much the same.

  40. gary says:

    How do you vote here? I can’t seem to find any way to do it.

  41. mike mann says:

    kylars ka’kari can eat organic material. it doesnt eat kylar because it is intelligent and CHOSE kylar as a host. its not that it CANT devour him…. it chooses not to. and no it wouldnt just eat cale. kylar still would have to make the ka’kari come into contact with cale in order to do that. the ka’kari can not simply reach out and grab stuff on its own after al

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