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Cage Match 2012: Championship: Moiraine Damodred versus Kylar Stern

The Contestants


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Moiraine Damodred
Aes Sedai of The Blue Ajah
Age: 44
Race: Human (Aes Sedai)
Weapons / Artifacts: The One Power – Sai Dar; Angreal to boost her power

Kylar Stern
Age: 20s
Race: Human
Weapons / Artifacts: Knives; throwing spikes; sword…pretty much any weapon
Black ka’kari

The Breakdown


  • Strong in the One Power—a veritable demigod amongst men
  • Battle-tested veteran
  • A woman (and therefore underestimated, because let’s face it: SF/F women often get a bum rap)

  • Powerful Talent (magic)
  • Skilled assassin
  • Has endured much in the way of pain and heartbreak

  • Obsessive about her life’s mission, to the point that she’s willing to risk unraveling the fabric of space-time to achieve it.

  • Somewhere, deep down, he’s got a bit of a conscience

  • Tarzan
    Del Rey editor Frank is crying right now
  • The Dagda Mor
    One Power trumps the Staff of Power
  • Jardir
    He lost to the very Core of his being
  • Kelsier
    She tested his mettle (metal) and he was found wanting
  • Anomander Rake
    When you bury a Rake, you still need a shovel

How we think the fight will go

We’re still looking for a fan write-up (see this post for more details, but note you can start putting your write-ups below), but in the meantime, we’re happy to give you one more from Abyss

With a note of thanks to all of you who have posted comments re my other write ups, and my deepest apologies and respect again to Brandon Sanderson and the later Robert Jordan, and now to Brent Weeks…

An assassin, by nature and practice, does not seek out a face to face and blade to blade fight. It’s antithetical to the whole ‘assassination’ thing. Kill. Don’t be killed. Kill fast and with finality. Don’t leave anything to chance. Don’t even take chances. Plan for everything, then back-up plan, and then plan some more for when those plans go ass-up.

A wet-boy is an assassin writ large. Not so much a killer as an artist in the act of killing. Magic, weapons, magic weapons, brains, every piece of their body, is committed to the art of murder, the elimination of the target… or rather, the deader. As in you can’t get much deader than being targeted by a wet-boy.

It’s why they’re the best there is at what they do.

And even among wet-boys, Durzo Blint was one of the best. And he trained Kylar Stern.

Kylar has had other names, but Kylar will do. Kylar is so good at murder, he has, in many respects, surpassed Durzo. There are god-like beings who could attest to this, except that they’re dead.

Point being, Kylar is extremely good at killing. He may not like it, but he is so very very good at it. Fucking brilliant in fact. And oddly enough, Kylar has saved his world with his skills.


Aes Sedai, by nature and considerable effort, cultivate an air of power and focus that conveys, when a Sister turns her ageless face to a viewer, a sense that they know more, know better, know EVERYTHING, and the target of that gaze is best off doing exactly what the Aes Sedai tells them to do.

Practice and attitude have a great deal to do with this. So does the One Power. Theirs is the female half of the Power, and with it, they wield Air, Fire, Earth, Water and Spirit in many ways.

It’s not a good idea to anger an Aes Sedai. They take Oaths that prevent them from doing some of the nastier things the One Power permits, but really, that just motivates them to get creative.

As an Aes Sedai of the Blue Ajah, Moiraine Damodred concerns herself with righteous causes. Her particular cause happens to be saving the world. This focus led her to find the Dragon Reborn. And the Dragon may indeed yet save their world, but fair to say, without Moiraine’s efforts, he would likely never have had a chance to try.

Moiraine is extremely strong in the One Power. There are other channelers, some Aes Sedai, some not, who are stronger than her, but not many. And even among those, most haven’t figured out Balefire, a particularly nasty weave that erases its target from existence. It’s as bad as it sounds. At least one particularly powerful servant of the Dark One has found that out the hard way.


A contest has raged across worlds… across universes. Champions, chosen for many reasons, have been forced to fight each other.

These two… Moiraine Sedai and Kylar Stern… are the last. To get this far, each has overcome a host of opponents… vicious warriors, clever mages, gods even… and many who would have been friends or allies in other circumstances.

And now their only bar to victory, to survival, to have done with this entire business… is each other.


The White Tower stands proudly, one hundred spans of gleaming bone white structure at the heart and centre of the island city of Tar Valon.

It is the home, training ground and gathering place of the Aes Sedai. Hundreds, possibly thousands of the Sisters may be found there, to say nothing of their warders… some of the most deadly warriors ever known.

Sneaking in to the White Tower to kill one of its residents would be a daunting task for anyone.

Even for Kylar Stern.

Cloaking himself in white and climbing up the outside of the Tower in broad daylight, however, was easier. Much easier. His own Talent, used frugally, didn’t seem to trigger whatever weaves the Aes Sedai used to protect their place, and while his invisibility wasn’t perfect, people, even apparently ageless magic-users and their watch-dog swordsmen, seldom looked up, and if they did and caught a slight hint of motion, well, even bone white walls cast shadows. They should have kept their stonework less ornate if they didn’t want people using it as camouflage and climbing grips.

It was a long climb, even so. His talents and the black ka’kari gave him strength and endurance beyond any normal assassin, however well trained, but one hundred spans was still one hundred spans. The climb took a while. Almost a whole hour.

He reached the top, relieved to find it empty and blissfully flat. No obvious threats presented themselves at his first glance over the railing. He scanned with his talent, drew on the additional power and focus that his sword, Retribution, gave him and scanned some more. Weaves revealed themselves. Powerful ones, all the elements and a weird ephemeral fifth form as well. Had he leapt up onto the roof, he may have set off a number of nasty surprises. As it stood, this was a delay, but a minor one. He called on the black ka’kari and drew it around him like a bodysuit as he rolled over the railing and onto the roof. The first weave almost activated…. and the ka’kari devoured its essence before whatever it was meant to do fully formed. Another redundant weave flared, that strange fifth ‘element’ swirling around him, and was devoured in turn. He felt a slight tingle through the ka’kari this time, but the Devourer would not be denied, least of all by unformed, raw power. The elements could hurt him, but they had to exist first.

Kylar allowed the black ka’kari to quest around him, absorbing a few more closer weaves, then pulled it inside. He looked over the edge of the railing at Tar Valon spread out below him. A beautiful city, with tall graceful buildings, cleaner, more brilliant than anything on his world, surrounded by shining walls, and all laid out across an island in the middle of a gorgeous blue river.

It was a shame about the flood.

Kylar reached into a sack tied to his secondary equipment belt, drew out a small blue pearl, dropped it on the roof, and then vaulted back over the side of the Tower.


The River Erinin flows freely around the shining walls of Tar Valon. It is a part of the city’s defenses and its beauty.

The city itself was built by Ogier stonemasons and Aes Sedai channelers. It has never been taken by an enemy. And it has never flooded. Until today.

The water of the Erinin didn’t so much rise as creep. Slow flows, narrow as vines, made their way up the banks and then the walls like shallow streams flowing upwards, reaching the top of the walls and then flowing down into the streets. At first, in the fading light of dusk, the flows went unnoticed. But a guard walking the walls stepped in a puddle, looked up at the cloudless sky and then down… Tar Valon had seen its share of random ‘bubbles’ of evil in the Dark One’s recent activity… and men who stood guard on a city of Aes Sedai soon learned to be sharp, suspicious, and extremely careful … the alarm was raised quickly on the walls, the extent of the problem quickly observed… even as the streets started to fill with enthusiastically bubbling brooks and widening streams all running towards the White Tower.


The alarm drew the attention of the Aes Sedai instantly. The steadily rising streams of water running onto the grounds of the Tower, then into the Tower itself and up the stairs level by level drew a whole other escalation of alarm.

Sisters from each Ajah hurried to investigate. Circles of sisters formed, drawing immense weaves of Air and Water to try to reverse the flows. Novices and Accepted from the Seafolk were pressed into service, some with almost no Tower training finding themselves leading whole circles of full Sisters in weaves learned and learned well on Atath’an Miere ships long before they ever came to the Tower. Water was redirected, forced, cajoled, but it all came back. Steadily, the tower was being flooded. Whole ceilings were slowly being covered with water that defied reason and logic in its travel upwards.

Moiraine Damodred held back when her Blue Ajah sisters moved to begin their own efforts against the flood. She watched as three sisters attempted to bring Fire down on a stream of water flowing along a staircase. The cloud of steam sent them into retreat. Moiraine directed her own flow of Air to dissipate the heat, and studied the water.

It flowed up. She looked around. Everywhere, along walls, between almost invisible seams of Ogier wrought stone, the water flowed up.

She diverted her attention briefly to her Warder. Lan was many floors below. He had been training with other Warders when the flooding began. The steadily increasing flow of water was causing panic and making the stairs difficult to navigate. He would get to her when he could, but for the moment…

Moiraine wove Water, not trying to stop the upwards flows but pushing them aside enough to ensure her footing. Having no difficulty – the water merely continued on its way to either side of her steps – she began to follow the flow.

The climb to the top of the White Tower was not itself difficult, but the water flows were increasing. There was no feeling of Saidar being channeled, but something was drawing the water… she prepared a offensive weave of Fire, another defensive, of Air, and moved to the roof.

What awaited her above was stunning… frightening even… the flows of water had converged into a massive waterspout, a twisting, writing pillar of water growing from the centre of the roof of the White Tower… it was immense, almost as high again as the tower itself… the weight alone would have shattered a lesser structure… she allowed herself a moment to fear what would happen if the streams of water were allowed to continue to gather, before a second sight drew her attention… Aes Sedai Sisters… three… five… six or more, all unconscious, tied up, gagged, their heads propped up above the flows of water and pushed to the edges of the roof… she had not been the first one to follow the flows… which meant…

A stabbing pain broke her line of thought even as she was about to unleash the Air…

An arm, hard as steel, powerful, reached around her throat and pulled tight. She threw herself forward, pushing out Air around her as hand as she could. Her attacker grunted and twisted the blade enough to break her concentration and dissuade further efforts.

“Listen. Don’t fight. Moiraine Sedai. Just listen.”, he hissed in her ear.

She paused. If he had intended to kill her, that knife could have gone deeper before she could stop it. She steeled herself, ignored the pain of the knife tip in her side, and spoke with full Aes Sedai calm and confidence.

“You must know there is no escape from here. And I still breath, so you did not come here to kill me.”

“Or maybe I did. And I can be down the side of the Tower before you can blink. Don’t posture. Just listen.”

She could feel Lan approaching. She could feel channeling in the floors below as the Aes Sedai efforts to control the water grew. Someone would be here any moment. She would have a chance. Drawing on her angreal, she barely nodded.

“Three things you need to know. First, the blue ka’kari will keep drawing the river here until your tower breaks under the pressure. Second, the knife in your side is poisoned and you have only moments to live without the cure I can provide. Third, you can end this, save your tower and live, with two simple words: ‘I surrender’.”

Moiraine’s mind raced, but she asserted the same calm consideration she did to everything. “How do I know you’re telling the truth about any of this?” she asked.


Kylar’s perfectly plotted kill had one snag… this woman was not a deader, he was not being paid to kill her, and as far as he could tell, she was not a bad person. Which meant her really wanted to avoid her death if he could.

“You see your Sisters who got here before you. They aren’t dead. This contest has to end and your death doesn’t have to be a condition of that. Give up and we all walk away.”


Moiraine’s mind raced… the contest… again the blood and bloody ashes contest… four times already she had fought … the last almost too close… now this… he claimed a simple ending, but she had heard otherwise… the consequences of a loss could be dire…


Kylar felt her tense…

“Don’t be foolish. You’ve lost. I don’t want to kill you. Without the cure you’re already dead… give up.”


Moiraine’s thoughts settled. She prepared weaves of Air and Fire…

“No. You give up. I can wipe you out before you ever stood on this roof. You will never stab me. You will never threaten the Tower. It will be like you never existed.”


“So much as blink and this knife goes through your heart. Last chance.”

Even as he spoke he felt her tense, and by reflex borne of hard training and harsher lessons in life, drove the blade upwards…


Even as he spoke, Moiraine completed the Balefire weave…

Predicted Winner: Your votes will decide!


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Who will be Cage Match 2012 Champion?

Moiraine Damodred is a character from the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan; Stern is a character from the Night Angel series by Brent Weeks.

Moiraine image courtesy of Jason Chan and Tor Books. Kylar Stern image courtesy of Orbit Books.

Cage Match fans: We are looking forward to hearing your responses! If possible, please abstain from including potential spoilers about the books in your comments (and if you need spoilers to make your case, start your comments with: “SPOILER ALERT!”

Also–let’s keep it civil. We’re all fans of the the genre, and while we want spirited debate, we also want to hear everyone’s opinions.


323 Responses to “Cage Match 2012: Championship: Moiraine Damodred versus Kylar Stern”

  1. Lamadrien says:


    I’m confused.

    First you write: ”…even apparently ageless magic-users and their watch-dog swordsmen, seldom looked up, and if they did and caught a slight hint of motion, well, even bone white walls cast shadows.”

    Then you write: ”…and men who stood guard on a city of Aes Sedai soon learned to be sharp, suspicious, and extremely careful…”

    So which is it? Are they ‘’sharp, suspicious, and extremely careful”, or are they so careless to seldom look up, and not double, or even triple check shadows?

  2. JOE says:

    “this woman was not a deader, he was not being paid to kill her, and as far as he could tell, she was not a bad person. Which meant her really wanted to avoid her death if he could.”
    didn’t seem to bother him when he killed Gimli or Harry. (Maybe being a woman makes it different. I don’t know.) He kind of tricked those two into killing themselves though…. which begs to question: why didn’t he do that this time?

  3. JOE says:

    You’ll notice those two statements are from the two character’s differing points of view. They are both perfectly true. from the different points of view.

  4. James says:

    If Moiraine overkills Kylar with balefire, would that undo some of his victories as they’d never have happened? Cagematch 2012 – Let’s See How Long We Can Beat This Dead Horse? ;)

  5. Ilidsor says:

    The way I see it is if that scenario happened the bale fire would destroy the black ka’kari but then Kylar would still be alive to stab Moiraine, Remember Kylar and the black are separate beings.

  6. Lisa says:

    He is dreaming. Weapons have never been an issue for Moiraine Sedai.
    Tai’shar Cairhien!! \m/

  7. JOE says:

    @James no I don’t think so. It wouldn’t be powerful enough to go back that far.
    She would risk destroying herself if she made it that powerful.

  8. Shadow'sBane says:

    Kylar looks a interesting character….like Seanchan DeathKnives.
    will have the check out “the Way of the Shadow”.

  9. Shadow'sBane says:

    what is karkari ? and what are its properties

  10. Shadow'sBane says:

    really nice write-up.

  11. ~ap~ says:

    Agreed on the balefire Joe, Mo would only need a tiny bit to wipe Kylar out to *before* he began flooding the Tower.

    Also, to Lamadrien, the first comment was about Aes Sedai and their warders not looking up at the face of the Tower, which is well away from the city walls on which the guards, who are neither Aes Sedai nor warders, noticed the oddity of water running up the walls.

    I think this was a fantastic write up! Well done, Abyss, I thoroughly enjoyed reading this and love the way you ended it. Thanks!!

  12. Asteron says:

    Kylar Stern is about to come up against his most powerful opponent yet… the WoT fanbase!

    Not even the Black can devour that many votes!

  13. TheKaspa says:

    But Kylar isn’t part of the Pattern, or he is just by being in Randland?

  14. Shadow's Fear says:

    I swear, all WoT fans do is bitch.

  15. Saber says:

    @Shawdow’s Fear – And cheat, apparantly.

  16. Adam says:

    Shadow’sBane, the ka’kari is a sentient being, its an orb that has bonded to Kylar. It can sense dangers he cannot and will warn him. It absorbs whatever it wants to, weapons, clothing, magic, light, heat, etc. It can become weapons such as blades, or something such as other arms. It allows for rapid regeneration and immunity to disease. Anything else?

  17. Bradleelee says:

    @Shadow’sBane: http://nightangel.wikia.com/wiki/Ka‘kari
    “It’s abilities include:

    ?Making the user invisible
    ?Giving the user perfect vision regardless of light conditions.
    ?Allows the user to see the “coranti”, the Unclean.
    ?Devouring magics.
    ?If you are killed, you will re-awake after 1 day and 1 night.
    ?Injuries recover faster
    ?Never Age ”

    It is a sentient being who can give feedback and advice to the person it is bonded with. There are also things that it doesn’t quite list in the Wiki but is shown through actions in the book. Devouring magics doesn’t give the same impression on some people as negating magics. For instance, Retribution is usually coated with the Black Kakari (The Black). If someone is cut with it and has supernatural healing properties, it will stop the healing properties and not allow them to be healed. It also cuts through magical wards, barriers, etc. I cannot remember exactly, but I am pretty sure it can absorb the magic and give it to it’s wielder as well. It also coats the person who it bonded with giving him a form of light armor. It is not really clear how much punishment it can take.

    I won’t go into anything major as far as the write-up is concerned (having the blue kakari is neat but not really in his arsenal at the end of the books), but the major points are below that will decide how most people will vote: (QX is a question and AX is my own opinion as an answer.)

    Q1. Does Kylar going invisible with The Black make him completely invisible/undetectable?
    A1. According to the Night Angel Trilogy, the answer is no. (?) I seem remember the book reading that it is true invisibility, but for some reason I think that he was still detectable by mages who were looking for him.

    Q2. Does Retribution with The Black coated on it cut through all protective magics?
    A2. Yes. This has been seen many times in the NAT. Just depends on your definition of magic.

    Q3. Does The Black absorb all types of magic? In other words, make him immune to magic.
    A3. Again, I say yes. But it does depend on what you define as magic. In this case, Baelfire is magic and therefore would be devoured by The Black by my definition. Others would contend that it is a “special” type of magic that is immune to the black’s devouring. Again, preference and bias will determine what you think here.

    Q4. Does Kylar have a consceince?
    A4. This is one of the biggest questions. If he doesn’t have a consceince, or at least understands he needs to kill the person, then the fight would be over fairly fast one way or the other. Does a Wet Boy talk to his/her deader? Not really.

    Given my personal opinions and answers (simply how I think this imaginary non-canonical fight would go), The Black will absorb anything that she throws at him; even the all-powerful baelfire. The way I read it, it is still simply magic directed to do a very specific and powerful purpose. It isn’t that what it does isnt special, it is just that the mechanic behind it doesn’t make it special for how I think The Black would react to it.

    If I think of other things or people want to banter then I will respond, but for now this is enough.

  18. Loki says:


    I haven’t read the Kylar Stern series and thanks to some people forgetting that not everyone has read Brent Weeks and giving away MASSIVE spoilers in previous rounds I’m probably never going to however your write-up did a really good job of giving me a feel for both characters and I thoroughly enjoyed it. You do good work :D

  19. Ka'Carrie says:

    The WoT fans have admitted to cheating in the comments from the last round. I’m not sure what a proxy is or how you use one to make multiple votes but it seems only fair that if the WoT fans are going to cheat that the rest of us be told how to do it to so we can decide if we want to try and combat the WoT cheaters or not and win or lose these without those kind of tactics.
    uvudu should just allow people the ability to vote multiple times otherwise small fanbases like ours are never going to have a chance if WoT characters are in these matches.

  20. Shadow'sBane says:

    @Adam, @Bradleelee
    that is Interesting,
    the Way of the Shadows is in my reading list.

  21. Darthcaz says:

    Totally agree with Bradleelee. There is no reason the black ka’kari would not be able to devour balefire, as it is just another form of magical energy, albeit a unique form of it.

  22. VinSwift says:

    As a huge fan of Kylar, this write up was absolutely amazing. I think you did a great job of capturing his conscience and the fact that while he’s a trained killer, he doesn’t enjoy killing. The blue ka’kari was also a beautiful plotpoint.

  23. Ulrich says:

    Ah, the age old question of the unstoppable force versus the immovable ka’kari.

  24. CakeSauc3 says:

    Balefire undoes EVERYTHING – even the black ka’kari. In fact, Moriaine is invincible as long as she keeps on weaving that spell. The only chance is if someone strikes her before she decides to use that weave. Unfair, I know, but life isn’t fair.

  25. wcarter4 says:

    Kylar against Moraine? Kylar
    Kylar against Moraine and Lan or Mat & Thom? Much tougher to call
    I’ve read both series. I am a fan of both series, but I honestly think Kelsier or Anomader Rake would have stood a much better chance against Kylar than Moraine.

  26. Kyo says:

    Was a good write up – but tbh I think Kylar 100% pwned Moiraine here. He should win

  27. Bradleelee says:

    @CakeSauc3: I know I have talked about it before in my other post, but I would like you (or someone else) to explain why they believe The Black would be undone by Baelfire. I do a decent amount of research before I make judgements on fights and I believe Baelfire is simply a weave between fire and air. Am I mistaken to assume that a “weave” is another form of magical energy and you are simply mixing two types of energy? I say simply but I know baelfire is supposed to be extremely difficult to use.

    I assume one side would say that the baelfire would destroy The Black before it has a chance to absorb, while the other would say that The Black was designed to absorb magic and would be able to take it in before it causes any damage.

  28. Baco says:

    I, also, will probably forgo reading the Night Angel series due to having read all the comments of previous rounds and having it all Spoiled.

  29. Isdera says:

    it is nice that they have retribution in this write-up (about frickin’ time!) and it is interesting that they use all it’s potential abillities (spoiler there)

  30. ~ap~ says:

    I’m a fan of both series, though I’m very new to Weeks’ writing… that being said, I don’t know how to “cheat” on the voting, short of using different computers to submit one vote per, so I don’t particularly appreciate people calling me a cheater.

    Or saying that all I do is bitch. WTF are WoT fans supposed to be bitching about now? Light, chill out on the fandom hate, people. If you feel your character isn’t getting enough votes, appeal to the author and promote the match via the social network(s) of your choosing, like us cheating, bitching WoT fans do.

    Otherwise, shut it… or use the comments section to either congratulate Abyss on this fantastic write-up or to promote your vision of how the match would go and how your character would prevail. There’s no need to be ugly.

  31. ~ap~ says:

    @Isdera: I was happy to see Retribution in this match, too!

  32. Githraine says:

    Kylar never had the blue KaKari. He knows where it is but has NO way of getting it.
    This is like giving Moiraine access to the Chodan Kal because they exist in her books.

    Sorry, FAIL.

    And as a fan of both series, Kylar would not stand a chance.

  33. Lee Monroe says:

    Isn’t Balefire magic? If it is, then it wouldn’t work in the first place. the Ka’Kari absorbs magic, making Balefire useless, if I’m correct.

    As always, my vote goes to Kytlar, though I’m not feeling to good about this one.

  34. Farmer Monkey says:

    Great write-up!

    I think you captured the essence of both characters wonderfully. The infiltration of the White Tower was an awesome setting for the confrontation.

    I’m a big fan of both series, but I’m voting Kylar. The ka’khari devours magic. Kylar is more vulnerable to pedestrian deaths than magical ones.

    If Lan were in the picture, too, maybe a different story. Moraine would have to rely on indirect effects, like hurling objects with weaves of air.

    Anyway, thanks again for all the great write-ups! Appreciate all the hard work an introductions to new series!

  35. W_A says:

    The main point in this battle that I disagree with is that the black ka’kari would make saidar useless. In the WoTverse, we have something that almost perfectly corresponds to the Black’s power of devouring weaves- Mat’s foxhead medallion. The way it works is that it dissipates any weave that comes into contact with its wearer. This would seem to make him invulnerable to the One Power, but there is one basic workaround. It can only dissipate the actual weaves, not something that the weaves cause. So, for example, if somebody shot balefire at Mat, I think that it would be absorbed (There are probably people who disagree with me on this, but to them, I think you should remember what Perrin said. “It’s just a weave”). However, bringing an example from the book, lightning can still roast him to death, because they weave lightning by inducing a lightning bolt from the sky, not by actually making one. COnsidering that she’s been straveling with Mat, she’s probably figured this out by now. Plenty of other Aes Sedai have. Here’s an incomplete list of things that she could probably do against him:
    Lightning bolt (Previously explained)
    Throw things (Weaves of air pick up the object, and momentum keeps it going when the weaves dissipate)
    Distractions like light or sound (The weaves make the distractions, but don’t touch him)
    Create walls of earth (The weaves are only needed to make the walls-They can stay up by themselves.)
    Heat or cool the air (The weaves work on the air, and only affect him by convection)
    Summon and Control Insects (Pretty self evident)
    Traveling (Her, not him)

  36. Ligaia says:

    Much as I like Moiraine, Kylar would beat her in a fight. Yeah, she’s got balefire, and let’s say she’s desperate enough to use it. Chances are that the ka’kari would absorb it – there’s a reason it’s called the Devourer, and since Kylar and the ka’kari aren’t from Randland, could they really be burned out of the Pattern? But let’s say that the ka’kari is destroyed by balefire – as has already been pointed out, the ka’kari is a separate being. There’s still Kylar, and while he might be shocked that the ka’kari has been destroyed, he knows that Moiraine is a formidable opponent now, and could recognize when she’s weaving balefire again. At this point, it’s a trained assassin versus… a woman. (Don’t give me that look, I’m female, I’m not being sexist.) Do we really think Kylar would give her a chance to weave balefire again, now that he’s more vulnerable without the protection of the ka’kari? I doubt it, Kylar’s made some poor decisions but he isn’t stupid.

    So I say: if it comes down to a straight-up fight, Kylar wins hands down. But since this is a popularity contest, Moiraine wins by default – Kylar’s a lesser-known character, and WoT fans are legion.

  37. The Riddler says:


    only problem with that is that the black absorbs a dagger that is thrown at Kylar at the end of the the first book and in the third book eats Kylar’s clothes and weapons so throwing things wouldn’t work

    not sure how the heating/cooling of air would help in a fight

    don’t know about the lightening bolt though

  38. Daruya says:

    I’m a WoT fan, and cheating by proxy never even occurred to me till some people after the last cage match claimed WoT fans cheated (and even described how s/he thought they did so) after Moiraine won. Now, regardless of who wins, the win is tained with allegations because, at this point, one side claimis the other side cheated and suggests that, because of this, cheating is called for by their side. And, no, even after being told by “the other side” that it could be done and how, I didn’t vote by proxy; I voted once and only once. In closing, as I see it, the One Power is not really magic so don’t be so sure the ka’kari would absorb it.

  39. Ulrich says:

    I’m not familiar with Kylar’s world, but if the ka’kari doesn’t actually block the balefire, would it still protect him like the foxhead medallion does? Or does its mere presence make Kylar immortal? (Especially if it does the other things The Riddler indicated above.)

    Furthermore, if the ka’kari is a sentient being attached to Kylar, why might not Moiraine get her own sentient being attached to her: eg, Lan?

  40. Ashayden says:

    Q1. Does Kylar going invisible with The Black make him completely invisible/undetectable?
    A1. According to the Night Angel Trilogy, the answer is no. (?) I seem remember the book reading that it is true invisibility, but for some reason I think that he was still detectable by mages who were looking for him.

    I believe the scene Bradleelee is mentioning is a in the 3rd book of the NAT series “Beyond the Shadows” when Kylar approaches 2 characters in the woods: Feir and Latano near the start of the book. It is indeed true invisiblity, but Feir is able to see him and goes on to say 9/10 female magaes (not a typo) would see him, but 1/10 male mages wouldn’t (gender roles are a big and subtle issue that is interestingly explored in reference to how they work magic for those that aren’t familiar with the NAT series).

    To add fuel to the Balefire vs Black Ka’kari debate, I would like to point out that the Black Ka’kari does have a bit of a limit when it comes to Devouring magic (I’m a NAT fan and have not read the WoT series so I am basing most of this from my observations on the write ups and what I have wiki’ed). In the 2nd book of the NAT series “Shadow’s Edge” there is a scene where Kylar and another wetboy Vi are going after the Godking in Cenaria before the battle at Paarvil’s Grove. Kylar and Vi stumble upon a creepy magic experiment where Kylar basically decides to WTF! screw up. In the process, he dives through a vast amount of magic which the Black tries to absorb, but as Vi later mentions, the Black is literally bleeding out excess magic in the form of visible light from Kylar (think Woodstock lava lamp) because it simply could not Devour it all. Although this was because the magic came from about 8-10 (I think) magic user performing the experiment so it was a matter of simply a crap ton of magic from different sources.

    I do not know how “much” magic Moiraine’s weaves or Balefire is so I cannot say how much would (if it could) be devoured by the Black as certain WoT sources have stated that Balefire strength is dependent on the channeler. As Moiraine is only 1 magic user I believe the Devourer should be able to consume all the magic, but as I said earlier, I am not familiar enough with the WoT universe.

    Still it’s a good write up that I think pays homage to both fan bases. My votes for Kylar of course.

  41. Darthcaz says:

    Great point about the excess magic. Something you didn’t focus on is the fact that when faced ith overwhelming magic, neither the black nor Kylar were hurt, but that the energy was bled back into their surroundings.

  42. Hateseed says:

    Vote once, don’t be a tool. If you care THAT much, you need to reexamine your life priorities.

  43. B. Reed says:

    Oh, Abyss, this one was MUCH better! There were no significant errors that I was, at least not concerning the WoT universe. And not any with the use of the Saidar. I don’t have any klnowledge or experience with Kylar’s world, so I can’t comment there.The only minor issue was female channelers can’t sense Saidin being channeled. Male channelers can sense Saidar, but not the other way around. And there were two minor word mix-ups. Writing and breath, were supposed to be writhing and breathe, but that’s not really a big deal. I still got the point.

    Compared to the last one, this one was lovely as far as accuracy with the One Power goes. Thank you, I can tell you tried really hard to learn from your mistakes on the last match. : )

    To those of you accusing WoT fans of cheating, I really don’t think spreading the word about the match on our considerable online network, consisting of multiple fan pages on facebook, twitter, as well as the main hubs like dragonmount.com, tarvalon.net, ect….is cheating. It is using the resources available to us.

  44. B. Reed says:

    P.s Pretty sure what I mentioned above is considered voting ‘by proxy’ but I am not positive.

    Feel free to give it a shot for Kylar since it isn’t cheating. : )

  45. Kyle says:

    I believe that the Black would devour the Balefire…From both series we have magical powers and it all works differently so we dont know…how do we compare them then??? We should assume that the magical properties (of magic) have similar if not the same complex make up so magic would work the same way in all realms…this is highly unlikely but its the only way to make them comparable…It also has to be relative, you need to look at each magic and how powerful they are…something extremely powerful in one universe could be considered extremely weak in another…this is hard because we would have to add another element into an already complex battle…In my case i believe that Kylar is just the wrong opponent for Moiraine…The Devourer (the Black) eats away magic…this puts Moiraine in a troublesome point where if the Balefire can destroy the Black she is still left with Kylar to deal with who is trained to fight against mages and warriors…i feel that if Moiraine was to win it would be due to consecutive Balefires (dont know if thats possible) or good luck…again this is my opinion done based on how i look at the competition

  46. Steven says:

    I seriously doubt that Kylar would stop the Titani Maelstrom just to use it when he could have done a number of other things. However, I really liked the use of it. Fantastic write up.

  47. David says:

    Ok so the book makes it a statement of fact that when covered in the black he is invisible except for when using his talent which mages can see (or if he is overflowing with raw magic like when the sister transferred the magic into him).
    This is how write ups should be. each side being left to decide who is the true victor. While I disagree that Kylar would not kill Moraine right off because she admits herself to doing evils for the sake of the pattern and saving the dragon reborn….
    Now as to how Kylar got the Blue is a good question considering he never possesses it in the books but it was a good touch to use something that we never actually see from the books in action.
    I would love the write up slightly more if it ended with moraine shooting balefire, And Kylar trying to absorb it with the black until the whole pattern starts to unravel…..

  48. Rand Therin says:

    Balefire isn’t a thing of magic. “Magic”is what David Copperfield does. Bale fire is the power woven in a manner to destroy a piece of time. A piece of the pattern if you will. Its time to toss the dice and dance with Jack-o-the-shadow.

  49. Vikenx says:

    *nods* I really enjoyed the write-up, much more than a few of the previous rounds. I got a good sense of the characters and that there was something actually going on they were aware of beyond most kill this person. And I can truthfully say that the write-up alone has motivated me to read Moirane in the Wheel of Time books.

    Oh, and massive props on using the Blue Ka’kari.

    The question of Balefire vs. the Devourer is an interesting and potentially complex one. Regardless, I could potentially see either character win, but I’m leaning toward the Black edging out over the Balefire. Though that’s only because I believe that as soon as the magic touches the Black it would be devoured, before it could get enough of a hold to do it’s amazingly powerful goal. Of course, this would be debatable… hell, it could even be a matter of timing, if the Black reacts fast enough… so I’m going to go with my gut. Kylar is one of my all-time favorite characters and I love Mr Weeks’s writing, so I’m going to vote for Kylar. If I’d read the Wheel of Time books then I might even try to make my own write-up, but having not read them I don’t feel it would be appropriate to attempt.

    Though now I have to add Wheel of Time to my list of books to read. I hope Kylar wins, but if not then well met Moiraine. It was a great write-up.

  50. Eric says:

    I am a big WoT fan, and I haven’t read any of the Kylar Stern novels (though he was BY FAR my favorite character in this tournament). I couldn’t be happier with this Championship match!

    That being said, I think that the winner would completely depend on how it went down. A face-to-face fight, especially if Lan was there, I think would definitely go to Moiraine. From what I’ve read about the ka’kari it seems like direct magic is pretty much useless, but indirect attacks with the One Power may have more success? Combine that with Lan’s sword and I can’t see Kylar beating BOTH of them. However, I don’t think Kylar would ever let the fight happen that way. He is too smart and good at what he does. For these reasons, I think Kylar would win.

    Either way, I still voted for Moiraine. Why? ‘Cause f*** you that’s why.

    Great write-up Abyss! And congrats Suvudu on another great tournament.

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