Comments on: Cage Match 2013 Round 3: Bene Gesseriti vs. Inigo Montoya

By: Cleveage

Cleveage — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:13:49 +0000

I mean…sure, of course the Gesseriti SHOULD win. But Voldemort should kill Harry, Vader should kill Luke, Frodo and Sam should’ve died a thousand times, and I don’t know how the hell any in A Song of Fire an Ice is still alive; they spend too much time fucking and stabbing to eat. So clearly things don’t work as expected in these places.

And I’ll be damned if I’ll let Inigo Montoya lose to ANYone!

By: Jlingo

Jlingo — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:28:10 +0000

I would agree he is by far the underdog and it would probably take a miracle. Ha! But they do happen and Montoya is no dunce with the blade. There would still be chance and what would challenges be without the charismatic underdog causing an upset once in awhile?

By: Metacognition

Metacognition — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:07:25 +0000

I meant regular in the idea of his opponents. I’m not trying to take anything away from Montoya in that right. He’s indeed a worthy adversary, thus why I argued for him initially, but I never expected him to win against such formidable foes as the Gesseriti. He’s (rightfully) the underdog in this match and while it’s not inconceivable for him to win, it’s still unlikely.
He’s trained for a lifetime.
The Gesseriti have as well and can pull upon the experience of those before them.
He’s ambidextrous.
The Gesseriti have absolute control of their bodies, making them ambidextrous of all their limbs.
I honestly can’t tell you how quickly the Gesseriti have taken out guards, because it’s been quite awhile since I read their book, but I have no doubt it’s comparable.

Again, I’m not saying Montoya couldn’t win, he’s very skilled, but ‘it’d take a miracle.’ Definitely lucky for him that he exists in a world where that’s possible!

By: Jlingo

Jlingo — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:24:17 +0000

“And somehow, a regular swordsman is supposed to win?” The majority of what you said I could probably agree with except this statement. Inigo is far from a “regular” swordsman. Even the Prince commented when studying the tracks of the duel that they were both “masters”.
It is “conceivable” that in his world, Inigo is of the best swordsman ever. He has studied for over twenty years, ambidextrous and killed armed guards in under five seconds. That is far from a regular swordsman and a master swordsman could defeat many things that underestimated them.

By: Metacognition

Metacognition — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:00:23 +0000

You guys that are voting for Montoya do realize that the Gesseriti SHOULD win this easily, right?

Montoya isn’t even the best swordsman within his universe. He’s bested by Wesley. On top of that, he’s still just human.
The Gesseriti are practically superhuman. They train both physically and mentally 24/7. They are an elite group and all that training pays off. They’re immune to poisons. They can control others through the use of the Voice (which is FAR more influential than it has been shown so far. The writers before did a great job of utilizing the Voice, but they forgot how immediate it can be). They’ve controlled entire GENERATIONS through their manipulative abilities. Hell, they have the memories of their ancestors at their disposal. Finally, they have mastered the art of multitasking. Simulflow as it called in Dune, allows them to concentrate on multiple tasks at once. To give you an idea of why this is important within a fight, they can focus on their own moves and their opponent’s moves AT THE SAME TIME.
So let’s say that you think Montoya could overcome all that, after all, that’s mainly mental abilities, right? Well the Gesseriti also train the body. Take all of the above and put it into a body that can do prana-bindu. Prana-bindu is basically means that they have COMPLETE control of their body. This allows them to perform acts that would seem inhuman to anyone else.

So let’s recap:
-Incredibly well trained
-Immune to poisons
-Can control opponent’s actions
-Draws off of lifetimes of experience
-Can multitask to the point of controlling every inch of the body
-Can do all the above while still being aware of their opponent’s actions

And somehow, a regular swordsman is supposed to win?

I know I said I’d argue for the underdog, but I never expected people would actually vote for him, if they were being fair!

By: Metacognition

Metacognition — Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:06:13 +0000

Bravo on this write up! The matches in the past seemed to focus too much on the Gesseriti’s mental prowess and seemed to forget that they have the capability to fight as well. While I think they will win, I did say I wanted to argue for the other side this time.

Montoya is no easy foe. I’d say that the Gesseriti wouldn’t even be able to place a seed in his mind. There’s two reasons for this: 1- If he is battling within a drunken stupor, as he tends to do, his mind will be too unfocused for any seed to grow. 2- When he’s not drinking, his mind is already fill… with vengeance. His mind is so focused on it that he is willing to die for it! The Gesseriti’s mind tricks hold no weight here.

Without the ability to trick their opponent, the Gesseriti have to rely on actual physical combat. This isn’t necessarily a problem… unless they’re going up against someone as trained as Montoya is. For one, he’s dueling against a woman. His Spaniard heritage would demand that he first attempt to make it a fair fight and as anyone who has read the book (or even watched the movie!) would know that he would start off left-handed in the idea of giving them a sporting chance.
This is an important problem I have with the write up. Montoya would’ve been more testing and calculating. Once he realized how skilled his opponent was, he would stop holding back and switch hands, so I can easily say that we have yet to see Montoya at his best (and his best is DAMN good!). Add that to his determination and you have an opponent that won’t fall to a single blow, unless that blow is from Fezzik, who’s pretty much The Hulk of that world.

So there’s my argument for Montoya. If the votes show him as NOT the underdog, I’ll argue the case for the Gesseriti as well!